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SkillScore
Version: 0.5.1
by: Andanor [More]
SkillScore should help to quickly find out if Players have some experience in specific Raid Instances by evaluating Achievements/Bosskills and breaks it down to a normalized number which shows up in the tooltip.

Get detailed information by pressing <CTRL> (default key can be changed via SkillScore addon menu)

Maximum score you can get for each raidzone is 1000.

Intended to be as lightweight as possible in terms of CPU and Memory usage.
V0.5.1
TOC update for 4.0.1

V0.5
added addon menu to select detailed information toggle key
added localization
more error 568 fixes
preformance tweaks

V0.4
bug fixes
* gemstone skillscore bug
* fix error 568

consolidate nh and hc bosskills
cat. skillpoints according to Achievements (normal, heroic)
more colors
min. level for raidzones

V0.3:
Performance tweaks
add detailed information toggle (STRG key)

V0.2:
GearScore lag workarround implemented

V0.1:
initial version
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Old 05-05-10, 07:43 AM  
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You didn't learn anything from the GearScore fiasco I guess then.

Having seen a fight or participated in a kill doesn't directly relate to skill it only relates to experience.
Those 2 might sometimes go together but it's mostly a flip of the coin.

Good thing I'm raiding in a good guild with friends, if this thing catches on it's sure to make pugging even more hell-ish than it is now.

Amazing how a bunch of elitists can keep putting up fences where the game tears them down.
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Old 05-05-10, 08:07 AM  
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Originally posted by Dridzt
You didn't learn anything from the GearScore fiasco I guess then.

Having seen a fight or participated in a kill doesn't directly relate to skill it only relates to experience.
Those 2 might sometimes go together but it's mostly a flip of the coin.

Good thing I'm raiding in a good guild with friends, if this thing catches on it's sure to make pugging even more hell-ish than it is now.

Amazing how a bunch of elitists can keep putting up fences where the game tears them down.
There is a truth to be had from the gearscore addon that no one can deny, and to think yourself able to do so only displays how inflated your view of yourself is. "A really sucky player with high GearScore will do more dps then a really sucky player with low GearScore."
Moreover, gearscore isn't going anywhere, and I disagree that it was a fiasco. Gearscore has existed in different forms ever since launch. If a healer didn't have X mana he wouldn't get to go on a ubrs run, which was may have been the first gearcheck people have ever been exposed to. But it was not without purpose, there was a minimum set of gear required for the difficult encounters in that zone. Gearscore is no different than that.
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Old 05-05-10, 08:12 AM  
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Skillscore

Hi, this is a good idea but counting achievements thats in the meta for mount isnt really something you need to know on a "LFM" basis... adding numbers of bosses participated on would be a better option.

Not flaming, just saying what i would use.

EDIT: i just rewrote it but it needs to get a relay of some sort that does not make it freeze the game for 1 sec while getting the data :P
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Old 05-05-10, 09:10 AM  
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No offence but any addon with "score" in the title should be binned.
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Old 05-05-10, 09:37 AM  
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Re: Skillscore

Originally posted by misan
EDIT: ..but it needs to get a relay of some sort that does not make it freeze the game for 1 sec while getting the data :P
Thanks! Fixed in V0.2
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Old 05-05-10, 10:17 AM  
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Amount of bosses downed for anyone who wants it.

SckillScore_data.lua edited to.

Code:
	
SkillScoreData_ICC10 = {
{
		4639,	--Lord MG nh
		4643,	--Lady DW nh
		4644,	--Gunship nh
		4645,	--Deathbringer nh
		4646,	--Festergut nh
		4647,	--Rotface nh
		4650,	--Prof.P. nh
		4648,	--BPC nh
		4651,	--BQL nh
		4649,	--Dreamwalker nh
		4652,	--Sindragosa nh
		4532,	--Fall of the Lich King (10 player)	BOSSACH 4653
},
}

SkillScoreData_ICC10hc = {
{
		4640,	--Lord M hc
		4654,	--Lady D. hc
		4659,	--Gunship hc
		4662,	--Deathbringer hc
		4665,	--Festergut hc
		4668,	--Rotface hc
		4677,	--Prof.P. hc
		4671,	--BPC hc
		4680,	--BQL hc	
		4674,	--Dreamwalker hc
		4684,	--Sindragosa hc		
		4636,	--Heroic: Fall of the Lich King (10 player) BOSSACH 4686
},
}

SkillScoreData_ICC25 = {
{
		4641,	--Lord M. 
		4655,	--Lady D.
		4660,	--Gunship
		4663,	--Deathbringer
		4666,	--Festergut hc
		4669,	--Rotface
		4678,	--Prof.P.
		4672,	--BPC
		4681,	--BQL	
		4675,	--Dreamwalker
		4683,	--Sindragosa
		4608,	--Fall of the Lich King (25 player)		BOSS ACH4687
},
}

SkillScoreData_ICC25hc = {
{
		4642,	--Lord M. hc
		4656,	--Lady D. hc
		4661,	--Gunship hc
		4664,	--Deathbringer hc		
		4667,	--Festergut hc
		4670,	--Rotface hc
		4679,	--Prof.P. hc
		4673,	--BPC hc
		4682,	--BQL hc
		4676,	--Dreamwalker hc
		4685,	--Sindragosa hc
		4637,	--Heroic: Fall of the Lich King (25 player) BOSS ACH 4688
},
}


SkillScoreData_ICC = {
	SkillScoreData_ICC10,
	SkillScoreData_ICC25,
	SkillScoreData_ICC10hc,
	SkillScoreData_ICC25hc,
}
SkillScore.lua edited to:

Code:
	local SS_ICC10 = floor(SkillScore_ICC[1] * 12/1)
	local SS_ICC25 = floor(SkillScore_ICC[2] * 12/1)
	local SS_ICC10hc = floor(SkillScore_ICC[3] * 12/1)
	local SS_ICC25hc = floor(SkillScore_ICC[4] * 12/1)
	
	GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine('Downed: ICC10 / 25 normal', SS_ICC10..' - '..SS_ICC25)
	GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine('Downed: ICC10 / 25 heroic', SS_ICC10hc..' - '..SS_ICC25hc)
I hope this isnt in violation of anything. Just sharing what i think is awesome :P
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Old 05-05-10, 11:01 AM  
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Originally posted by FrankoFranks
There is a truth to be had from the gearscore addon that no one can deny, and to think yourself able to do so only displays how inflated your view of yourself is. "A really sucky player with high GearScore will do more dps then a really sucky player with low GearScore."
Moreover, gearscore isn't going anywhere, and I disagree that it was a fiasco. Gearscore has existed in different forms ever since launch. If a healer didn't have X mana he wouldn't get to go on a ubrs run, which was may have been the first gearcheck people have ever been exposed to. But it was not without purpose, there was a minimum set of gear required for the difficult encounters in that zone. Gearscore is no different than that.
Blizzard has what they consider gear minimums built-in the LFD and raid browser interface.
They are both a pass / don't pass indicator (depicted with the locking paddle).
The reason they didn't put a number on it is obvious if you look at blue posts regarding gearscore as well as the april's fool joke.

I never said you don't need a minimum gear (and enchants, gems, consumables even occasionally) to be able to complete some encounters.

I was talking about THE gearscore addon and not gear checking in general (through other addons, the armory, the inspection etc).

The fiasco comes from the undeniable fact that the addon is both a BAD gear measure (only cares about itemlevel)
and by providing a single number is easily abused.
It is this short-coming (simplifying everything to 1 single bad measure) that is the main reason of its success over much better addons pre-dating it:
Example:
InventoryOnPar (weights scores on gems, enchants etc as well as quality and ilvl)
Elitist Group (doesn't provide a single number but points out bad/missing stats)

GearScore can be used as a very poor initial indication of gear quality (that's the "good" use)
but will always predominantly abused in 2 ways:
- players grabbing any piece of gear with a high ilvl to up their score
(and in the process skipping enchants and gems in great lower ilvl gear that they treat as trivial)
- bad puggers looking for a boost and thinking (a perception proven wrong time after time)
that a high GS can carry their crap raid through.

The overall effect on the community is ONLY detrimental.

Do you need to have/check for appropriate gear for the zone you're raiding?
Absolutely.
Is there a single number that can measure your "readiness level"?
"Maybe", but it's definitely not your GS or Skillscore.
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Old 05-05-10, 02:23 PM  
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I don't mean any disrespect towards the posters here in this comment thread, but don't post at all if you're going to down the AddOn. It is his AddOn, and just be constructive! We're all here to share and use AddOns!

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Old 05-05-10, 04:46 PM  
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Originally posted by Dridzt


I was talking about THE gearscore addon and not gear checking in general (through other addons, the armory, the inspection etc).......

Do you need to have/check for appropriate gear for the zone you're raiding?
Absolutely.
Is there a single number that can measure your "readiness level"?
"Maybe", but it's definitely not your GS or Skillscore.
Dude........WTF do you think Gearscore does?

These two statements completely WRECK your whole post.

Gearscore puts a "score" on the gear you have. The same gear that you are going to "inspect" on the players thru the Armory or "the inspection". I think it kind of saves you the time of having to do "the inspection".

Now, Do I think it equals skill? NO! Do I think it equals DPS? NO!

I think gearscore Equals "Potential". Thats all you can measure when doing a PUG. By either looking at the toon, the Armory or an addon that does that for you. Sure...you can check gear, achievements, ask guildies and do all kind of bullshit to see if a dude should come to your PUG, if you want to spend 3 hrs making a 25man PUG. People need to get used to the idea of a "tool" to check people for pugs, and accept it.

If used correctly, it "helps" you make a decision about who to bring, thats all. This tool could also be used for the same reasons.
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I know exactly what it does unlike yourself.
It adds up the itemlevels of your equipped items multiplies by a slot modifier and gives you an average.
It completely ignores enchants, gems, suitability to purpose
(pvp items for pve encounter, dps stats like hit on healer etc)

So yes I know full well what it measures and what not.

Anyway since this is not the gearscore addon comment space this is my last comment here,
your response doesn't wreck my post, it actually validates it completely.
You're the typical gs user.
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Old 05-06-10, 09:17 AM  
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Originally posted by Dridzt
I know exactly what it does unlike yourself.
It adds up the itemlevels of your equipped items multiplies by a slot modifier and gives you an average.
It completely ignores enchants, gems, suitability to purpose
(pvp items for pve encounter, dps stats like hit on healer etc)

So yes I know full well what it measures and what not.

Anyway since this is not the gearscore addon comment space this is my last comment here,
your response doesn't wreck my post, it actually validates it completely.
You're the typical gs user.
Not that i care about either addon, they both are doing essentially the same thing.... but i dont think you have looked at GS recently at all (and by recently i mean the last 6 months)?

Gear Score does downgrade your score when using pvp gear in pve encounters.

Gear Score does look to see if you are hit capped (for dps).

Gear Score does look and check if your items are properly enchanted.

I dont think any addon can currently check for gems due to API restrictions (this may have changed).

Gear Score also tells you how many times a player has killed each boss (both normal and heroic, 10 and 25 man).


Its definitely not just a number at all. Its an amazing tool. That said, this addon here looks like a lighter version of GS based more so on achievements. This can show some experience in dungeons, but can also be very misleading if said player was just carried though instances (alts). I know i have an alt with a 3.7k GS and have the King Slayer title (carried by guild).
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In the description it says somewhere to press 'STRG', but I'm afraid many people won't know what that means. If I'm not mistaken, it is used on German keyboards for the key which is called 'Ctrl' on keyboards made for other countries. Might be a good idea to add that to the description. ;-)
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Old 05-07-10, 01:57 PM  
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Wow...

Originally posted by Angrysteel
Gear Score does downgrade your score when using pvp gear in pve encounters.

Gear Score does look to see if you are hit capped (for dps).

Gear Score does look and check if your items are properly enchanted.

I dont think any addon can currently check for gems due to API restrictions (this may have changed).

Gear Score also tells you how many times a player has killed each boss (both normal and heroic, 10 and 25 man).
GearScores does literally none of these things. Are you a troll or did you never read the description?

Here is what the description says:

Whenever you mouseover a player in the game GearScore will scan that player's gear and calculate a score. The scores are based on how blizzard assigns stats to an item and take in account ilevel, rarity, and equipment slot location.
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Old 05-07-10, 02:17 PM  
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Originally posted by Ault
In the description it says somewhere to press 'STRG', but I'm afraid many people won't know what that means. If I'm not mistaken, it is used on German keyboards for the key which is called 'Ctrl' on keyboards made for other countries. Might be a good idea to add that to the description. ;-)
Ooops - many thanks for this - changed it to CTRL!
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Old 05-07-10, 11:20 PM  
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Originally posted by Angrysteel
ts definitely not just a number at all. Its an amazing tool. That said, this addon here looks like a lighter version of GS based more so on achievements. This can show some experience in dungeons, but can also be very misleading if said player was just carried though instances (alts). I know i have an alt with a 3.7k GS and have the King Slayer title (carried by guild). [/b]
Doesn't this just prove that GearScore has no meaning? SKillScore looks to me like an achievement checker which has some meaning (like that you have actually been in the instance) whereas anybody can boost their GS by doing meaningless amounts of heroics for emblems.
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