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MiniLoot  Popular! (More than 5000 hits)
Version: 6.0.0.140730
by: Vladinator [More]
Official repository can be found at GitHub.

Tired of loot spam in the chat? Wish there was a way to reduce the amount of messages generated by the game upon looting, reputation gain, experience gain, and so forth? This addon was created to counter just that!

Features
  • Filter
    Hide reputation, loot, currency, experience and gold messages. You can hide all the junk loot messages generated by the group, yourself or both. You may even set a item quality limit to what is hidden or not.
  • Timing
    You can group up several messages and generate a report of all changes that have happened in a specific time interval or after combat has ended. This helps avoid spam during fights.
  • Extra
    There are several extra features. To name a few: Pet Battle messages can be neatly summarized. Hover tooltips when you mouse over hyperlinks in the chat. Class coloring of names.

Stability
The addon has been tested with several languages, but with each major patch things may break. If you encounter issues please post them or submit a fix yourself.
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Re: Re: 5.2 update?

Originally Posted by Vlad
You are right, gonna upload a 5.2 update (new fragments, new icons, gotta add new internal data!)*Edit* Only http://www.wowhead.com/currency=754 is new I take it. Any other bugs you've discovered that are new in 5.2?
1. This 2 new things http://www.wowhead.com/currency=754 = not working but http://de.wowhead.com/item=95373 is working fine
2. ALL old fragment currencys don't have any icons! Like Tol'vir ... http://de.wowhead.com/search?q=Arch%C3%A4olog.+Fragment

3. The new fraction "Sonnenhäscheransturm" is shortend a bit strange its like "Sonnenhäsc" I don't remember I can tell you tonight wehn I do the dailys
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Re: 5.2 update?

You are right, gonna upload a 5.2 update (new fragments, new icons, gotta add new internal data!)

*Edit* Only http://www.wowhead.com/currency=754 is new I take it. Any other bugs you've discovered that are new in 5.2?
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5.2 update?

Some bugs like archeology only show green icons now
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Peerly, I'd like to help fix it if it's my code doing something wrong when RealUI is running.

Does RealUI break other things? Just weird if it's specifically only affecting MiniLoot - maybe I do something broken by RealUI or something, that causes this weird behavior, thing is my addon only toggles the chat filters by adding it's own, it shouldn't break anything specifically, hehe.
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Peerly, try to disable Chatter and see if this still happens. You'd help me a lot if you do this for me.

(I suspect addon conflict to be honest.)
Pinned it down to a conflict with RealUI. Tries to call a protected chat frame. Not Chatter at all.
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Peerly, try to disable Chatter and see if this still happens. You'd help me a lot if you do this for me.

(I suspect addon conflict to be honest.)
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The gold/silver/copper that is looted is either sent to the wrong chat window (when I have the 'old school' window set up the mini-loot money goes there) or is invisible otherwise. I don't have that hidden, I've recently reset the addon, and even reset my chat-cache.txt incase there was an inssue there. So how do I get my money loots to show in the same place as my items?
What is your locale? Sounds like a parsing issue, probably because money uses a syntax I have not accounted for right now, because no one using your locale has notified me of this yet.
American English client. Basically what happens is the normal money print out and mini-loot print out swap placed. The window with the mini loot print out has the 'normal' gold income, and the general chat window has the mini loot gold reading. And it's logic doesn't follow the rest of the loot. The items/exp/rep/ whatever show in the right place, the full text version shows in the right place, but the gold and only the gold goes to the wrong place.

Is there any known interaction with other chat addons? I currently use Chatter.
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Originally Posted by Peerly
The gold/silver/copper that is looted is either sent to the wrong chat window (when I have the 'old school' window set up the mini-loot money goes there) or is invisible otherwise. I don't have that hidden, I've recently reset the addon, and even reset my chat-cache.txt incase there was an inssue there. So how do I get my money loots to show in the same place as my items?
What is your locale? Sounds like a parsing issue, probably because money uses a syntax I have not accounted for right now, because no one using your locale has notified me of this yet.
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The gold/silver/copper that is looted is either sent to the wrong chat window (when I have the 'old school' window set up the mini-loot money goes there) or is invisible otherwise. I don't have that hidden, I've recently reset the addon, and even reset my chat-cache.txt incase there was an inssue there. So how do I get my money loots to show in the same place as my items?
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Hey! I've been trying out the minimalising options you implemented for the Pet Battle info, but to my personal preference it's still too much spam. Here's a screenie of what I mean:



Basically, everything that's printed in that screenie is redundant to me. I honestly don't care how much health was lost/gained, I don't care to be told which pet died and which entered battle, because it's what I already see happening in my screen. I only follow the battle through the visuals, I always ignore the printed text.

Now, I wouldn't mind all this spam if it were possible to have it moved to the Pet Battle chat window, where I can switch to it if I need to check something. But now it obstructs my guild chat, my whispers, the public chat channels... I hate that.

Do you think you can make it possible to have your addon move all this info to the Pet Battle window, or simply just give the option to hide it? It'd make this addon even more wonderful than it already is, really.
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Originally Posted by Vlad
Pending 1.8.5.1, I actually tried to fix this issue a day or two ago, simply forgot to apply the hotfix.

Give me feedback when you have tried 1.8.5.1, I am curious if that fixed the issues.
I'm download 1.8.5.1 and... it's work! No lua errors. thank you!
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Pending 1.8.5.1, I actually tried to fix this issue a day or two ago, simply forgot to apply the hotfix.

Give me feedback when you have tried 1.8.5.1, I am curious if that fixed the issues.
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Originally Posted by Vlad
What language? Works on enUS and on deDE but it may need tweaking to work with other locales, and I want to know the name of those locales that needs tweaking.
RU locale. Errors lua:

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  20.  MoneyToCopper = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:365
  21.  RemoveEventFilter = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\modules\loot.lua:320
  22.  ItemStartsQuest = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:327
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  26.  GetChatFrame = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:219
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  32.  GetDefaultOpts = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:141
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  34.  GetNumLetters = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:533
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  38.  GetOpt = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:157
  39.  LootWindowExists = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\modules\extra_loot.lua:50
  40.  GetIconWithLink = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:232
  41.  CacheItemQualities = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:300
  42.  GetBoolOpt = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:189
  43.  UpperCaseFirst = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:549
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  45.  HasEventFilter = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\modules\loot.lua:327
  46.  GetCurrencyByName = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:416
  47.  CheckModuleStates = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:82
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  5. Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:477: in function `ScrollingEdit_OnTextChanged'
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  8. [string "Interface\FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip..."]:22: in function <[string "Interface\FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip..."]:4>
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  11. Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\modules\loot.lua:622: in function `?'
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  22.  
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  29. LootWindowCreate = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\modules\extra_loot.lua:68
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  12. ...e\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua:579: in function `ScriptErrorsFrame_Update'
  13. ...e\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua:543: in function `ScriptErrorsFrame_OnError'
  14. [string "Interface\FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip..."]:18: in function <[string "Interface\FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip..."]:4>
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  16. ...
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  20. Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:477: in function `ScrollingEdit_OnTextChanged'
  21. ...e\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua:579: in function `ScriptErrorsFrame_Update'
  22. ...e\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua:543: in function `ScriptErrorsFrame_OnError'
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  34. Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\modules\loot.lua:737: in function `CHAT_MSG_MONEY'
  35. Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\modules\loot.lua:301: in function `filterFunc'
  36. Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2959: in function `ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler'
  37. Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2761: in function `ChatFrame_OnEvent'
  38. [string "*:OnEvent"]:1: in function <[string "*:OnEvent"]:1>
  39.  
  40. Locals: self = <table> {
  41.  NewModule = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:441
  42.  print = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:128
  43.  GetModule = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:74
  44.  SetOpt = <function> defined @Interface\AddOns\MiniLoot\core.lua:196
  45.  CacheCurrency = <function> defined @Interfa handleCursorChange = true
  46. }
  47. elapsed = 0
  48. scrollFrame = ScriptErrorsFrameScrollFrame {
  49.  ScrollBar = ScriptErrorsFrameScrollFrameScrollBar {
  50.  }
  51.  offset = 0
  52.  0 = <userdata>
  53. }
  54. height = 193.9999845811
  55. range = 0
  56. scroll = 0
  57. size = 193.9999845811
  58. cursorOffset = nil
  59. (*temporary) = nil
  60. (*temporary) = ScriptErrorsFrameScrollFrame {
  61.  ScrollBar = ScriptErrorsFrameScrollFrameScrollBar {
  62.  }
  63.  offset = 0
  64.  0 = <userdata>
  65. }
  66. (*temporary) = 0
  67. (*temporary) = "attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'cursorOffset' (a nil value)"
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With new version 1.8.5 addon don't show my loot, when i'm solo with default setting. It's inly show party loot in instance...
What language? Works on enUS and on deDE but it may need tweaking to work with other locales, and I want to know the name of those locales that needs tweaking.
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With new version 1.8.5 addon don't show my loot, when i'm solo with default setting. It's inly show party loot in instance...
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