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LightHeaded  Popular! (More than 5000 hits)

Version: v70100-1.0.0-2016-10-26
by: Cladhaire [More]

The last date of comment parsing is now part of the addon's filename.

Includes over 166,198 comments for more than 15,560 quests


LightHeaded is a very simple addon that displays quest information and comments from http://www.wowhead.com in game, eliminating the need to Alt-Tab when you get stuck on quest. This addon was inspired by qcomments and wowhead_quests, which both serve a similar purpose. Data is only loaded when you first request it, so you can be sure you're not using more memory than you need to.

I HIGHLY suggest using this addon with TomTom, another one of my addons (http://www.wowinterface.com/download...32-TomTom.html ). This allows you to simply click any coordinate in LightHeaded to add it to your map as a waypoint.

The following slash commands are valid:
  • /lh attach - Attaches the frame to the quest log
  • /lh detach - Detaches the frame, allows you to resize and move it
  • /lh sound - Toggles the open/close sound
  • /lh page - Toggles showing all comments on one page, or with multiple pages
  • /lh bgalpha <0.0-1.0> - Changes the alpha of the LH window background textures, so you can see the world.
  • /lh debug - Enables or disabled debug messages when loading quest databases
  • /lh config - Opens the LightHeaded configuration window
  • /lh autodetails - Toggle automatic opening of the Lightheaded window when clicking a quest in the objective tracker

LightHeaded now includes the English descriptions and introductory text for most of the quests in the game. This is disabled by default, but can be enabled for those players that are not playing in their native locale.

LightHeaded supports sending coordinates to TomTom, MapNotes, Cartographer2 and Cartographer3.

IMPORTANT: Addon authors that wish to use this API and data should
include the wowhead logo in the frame that displays this information.
They are kind enough to let me continue parsing their database, and we
owe them at least that much. Thank you.

Thanks for using my addons!

Donations:
Some people have asked, so here is a way to send me donations:

commit 547b33546eb69dccb662beffda2625d74bf11b74
Author: Jim Whitehead <[email protected]>
Date: Thu Oct 27 22:39:13 2016 +0200

Update for 7.1

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Date: Mon Sep 5 14:52:45 2016 +0200

Update for new parsing script

Thanks to lunarwtr we're able to parse again, since I didn't have time
to fix the previous parser. This required some changes to the addon, but
this should get things back up and working.

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Date: Sat Jan 31 15:35:53 2015 +0100

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Date: Sat Jan 31 15:27:56 2015 +0100

Fix LH waypoint set integration

- We now are able to properly reverse WowHead mapFileIds to the in-game
areaIds, so waypoints should be set in the correct zone.
- We don't know how to set a waypoint in an instanced zone, so we just
put those in the current zone
- Integration with MapNotes, Cartographer and friends always set in the
current zone.

commit ce35e8b832925ec497af58a9d53c70c9d387816a
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Native tweak options for tomQuest2's LH pane?

Originally posted by Cladhaire
Here is my position (copied from page 2 or 3 of comments, so you don't have to go back and look for it). In short, no. I do not believe the attribution in LightHeaded constitutes an advertisement.

I would like to clarify my position on the inclusion of the WowHead logo on the main Lightheaded window, and my requirement that any addon using my API include the same attribution. The only reason this addon exists is due to the comments that are posted on WowHead. As a courtesy to them, I state this as such in a single place.

It really comes down to what constitutes an "advertisement". Let's examine a few different definitions of the word:
a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or television, etc.
a public notice, esp. in print.
the action of making generally known; a calling to the attention of the public: The news of this event will receive wide advertisement.

The first does not apply.. I am receiving no compensation from WowHead, and they are not receiving anything from someone who decides to after seeing the logo, google "WowHead" to see what it is.

The second does not apply because this is not a public notice, it's an attribution of the source of the data for the addon.

The third does not call attention to anything in any way, it again just provides information about the source of the data in the addon.

Admittedly this falls into part of the grey area in the UI policy, but it is completely your opinion that I am in violation. It is my opinion, after considering the policy as a whole that I am not in violation of the policy. You are welcome to submit your complaint to Blizzard and I will comply with their decision if they decide to contact me.

However, I do not anticipate that being the case.
Thanks for your clarification, your position is good enough for me, I'll keep the logo unless blizzard ask me to remove it.
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Re: Re: Re: Native tweak options for tomQuest2's LH pane?

Originally posted by gagou
As you've seen I've also included the WowHead logon on my LightHeaded comment's frame, but as you know there is a new UI Addon development policy and I'd like to know your position regarding point 4) of the policy that forbid ingame advertisements. Do you think that Blizard can view the WowHead logo as a form of service advertisement and could ask us to remove it? (I'll stick to your policy regarding the logo and won't remove it unless blizzard ask to remove it, and you allow it)
Here is my position (copied from page 2 or 3 of comments, so you don't have to go back and look for it). In short, no. I do not believe the attribution in LightHeaded constitutes an advertisement.

I would like to clarify my position on the inclusion of the WowHead logo on the main Lightheaded window, and my requirement that any addon using my API include the same attribution. The only reason this addon exists is due to the comments that are posted on WowHead. As a courtesy to them, I state this as such in a single place.

It really comes down to what constitutes an "advertisement". Let's examine a few different definitions of the word:
a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or television, etc.
a public notice, esp. in print.
the action of making generally known; a calling to the attention of the public: The news of this event will receive wide advertisement.

The first does not apply.. I am receiving no compensation from WowHead, and they are not receiving anything from someone who decides to after seeing the logo, google "WowHead" to see what it is.

The second does not apply because this is not a public notice, it's an attribution of the source of the data for the addon.

The third does not call attention to anything in any way, it again just provides information about the source of the data in the addon.

Admittedly this falls into part of the grey area in the UI policy, but it is completely your opinion that I am in violation. It is my opinion, after considering the policy as a whole that I am not in violation of the policy. You are welcome to submit your complaint to Blizzard and I will comply with their decision if they decide to contact me.

However, I do not anticipate that being the case.
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Re: Re: Native tweak options for tomQuest2's LH pane?

Originally posted by Cladhaire
I don't know.. he's likely just utilizing the LightHeaded API to get his information, so it's their responsibility to change something like that.



The only thing I'm concerned with is whether he is displaying the WowHead logo as required for use of my API. It appears he is doing this, so that should be fine.

Short answer, you need to talk to that author.
Hello, I'm tomQuest2 author.

I've included support for all comments on the same page as it was requested by user.

As you've seen I've also included the WowHead logon on my LightHeaded comment's frame, but as you know there is a new UI Addon development policy and I'd like to know your position regarding point 4) of the policy that forbid ingame advertisements. Do you think that Blizard can view the WowHead logo as a form of service advertisement and could ask us to remove it? (I'll stick to your policy regarding the logo and won't remove it unless blizzard ask to remove it, and you allow it)
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Re: Bug ?

Originally posted by dm82
Hi. I'm using Lightheaded for a long time and everything was ok till now. I downloaded r280 version (newest one) and I have only two windows and no quest level on the left of quest name. First window looks like original and secend one is lightheaded window. I downloaded dualwidge addon and now I have 3 windows but i still doesnt have quest level. Any idea whats wrong ?
You need to install an addon that provides quest levels. LightHeaded does not do this. There are a number of addons that provide this, Quelevel being one of them.
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Bug ?

Hi. I'm using Lightheaded for a long time and everything was ok till now. I downloaded r280 version (newest one) and I have only two windows and no quest level on the left of quest name. First window looks like original and secend one is lightheaded window. I downloaded dualwidge addon and now I have 3 windows but i still doesnt have quest level. Any idea whats wrong ?
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Re: Non-wowm question

Originally posted by hellokitti
I am having re-loading lightheaded since the patch. I do not use wowmatrix and I have downloaded from this site and followed instructions and the usual procedures I have used in the past to activate this addon, yet it still does not show up as a loaded add-on.

I am by no means an expert at this so I would appreciate any help...perhaps a link to a stickied thread. This is the only add-on that I am having trouble with, so I am confused.

Thanks in advance!
There is a readme.txt file included in my addon. It indicates how the addon should be installed. Please follow those directions and report back.
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Non-wowm question

I am having re-loading lightheaded since the patch. I do not use wowmatrix and I have downloaded from this site and followed instructions and the usual procedures I have used in the past to activate this addon, yet it still does not show up as a loaded add-on.

I am by no means an expert at this so I would appreciate any help...perhaps a link to a stickied thread. This is the only add-on that I am having trouble with, so I am confused.

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pfft wowmatrix...woot Cladhaire

Just wanted to put in my two cents. Yes I miss wowace updater .. no I wont use wowmatrix. Reason, to many authors have issues with this site, and rather than piss them off, I will take the time and download what ones I cant get from curse. Compared to what you and others do this isnt a difficult task nor is it rocket science. As Long as you take the time to write these wonderful programs, I will put on my game face and take the extra two minutes and download it myself. Thanks again for a GREAT addon Cladhaire
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Originally posted by Dranwyr
I do wish to stress one thing- despite my issues regarding the handling of this whole thing, I absolutely respect your rights and I appreciate the work you do. Simply, thank you.
I'm glad that you find the addon useful and I respect and understand the position of you and the rest of my users. I will continue to make my addon available at WowInterface, which makes it incredibly easy to be notified of new versions.
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I do wish to stress one thing- despite my issues regarding the handling of this whole thing, I absolutely respect your rights and I appreciate the work you do. Simply, thank you.
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Originally posted by Dranwyr
Ack- apologies! You may wish to read again, but the intent was not to say that wowmatrix doesn't show ads. I was actually conceding that one to you: there is no way in Wowmatrix to show the *host site's* ads. In my response I mentioned that that was a sufficient reason for WoWI or Curse (or anyone else!) to block.
Then there's not much left to discuss. I consider the fact that they strip the ads from the other sites (by not having written in a way to display them) and putting their own ads in their place a morally reprehensible act. I wish that weren't the case, but it is.

EDIT: actually it was not a concession to you so much as it was an attempt to forestall someone jumping in and saying that site users already do that by visiting with adblockers. My intent was to say that that doesn't matter (and is not a valid counter agrument) because the host sites can in no way add their own ads into wowmatrix. [/b]
I agree here, but I take it a step further. I think there would be complete and utter outrage if AdBlocker inserted their own ads, while blocking those of the actual websites. That is the equivalent here, and where I'm coming from.
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Ack- apologies! You may wish to read again, but the intent was not to say that wowmatrix doesn't show ads. I was actually conceding that one to you: there is no way in Wowmatrix to show the *host site's* ads. In my response I mentioned that that was a sufficient reason for WoWI or Curse (or anyone else!) to block.

EDIT: actually it was not a concession to you so much as it was an attempt to forestall someone jumping in and saying that site users already do that by visiting with adblockers. My intent was to say that that doesn't matter (and is not a valid counter agrument) because the host sites can in no way add their own ads into wowmatrix.

Further EDIT: I only posted this one to correct poor rendering on my part, not to continue when you do not wish to.
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Originally posted by Dranwyr
They do not "use two other sites bandwidth" except inasmuch as they direct users who will be using that bandwidth to download anyway. And they do it for more than two sites. They use *less* bandwidth and server processor time in this fashion than users who would manually go and download those addons.


This is not true, because every time the application is opened the client visits every single page to get the version and check if there is an update. I am aware of the way the client works, and it causes enormous issues. Because it's so "easy" the users use the client often, and as a result it ends up POUNDING the servers. I'm sorry, but this just isn't the case.


They had no onus (nor requirement!) to go to any site whatsoever to reprint site ads. They have no obligation to do this. Bear in mind NO automated addon download tool does this, even the Curse's own tool (and WoWI doesn't have one yet; I DO look forward to that day). While this is absolutely a *good* reason for Wowinterface and Curse to block Wowmatrix, there is no moral reprehensibility for this action.
I retain the copyright to my addons. This allows me the right to determine when and where my addon is distributed. I choose WowInterface.com because of the way they operate and the good they have done for the community. I believe that the ads on WowInterface are unobtrusive and they allow the site to gain a bit of money for hosting my addons for free.

When WowMatrix does what it does, it bypasses all of this. Beyond that, it displays its own ads. I find that to be a problem, along with any other updater (none of which work any more) that does the same thing. It's my right, it's my choice and that is being bypassed.

(acknowledgement of previous arguments) I have seen lots of other folks claim that many users use web browsers with ad blockers that would seem to invalidate the argument, it nevertheless remains that there is no *way* to show ads in Wowmatrix, and that is a good enough reason for WoWI and Curse to want to block wowmatrix.
WowMatrix DOES display ads! Absolutely, 100%. It displays ads. It displays its own ads. This is my problem. They take away WowI's and display their own.

Thank you- I had been looking for that. Note this is *after* Wowmatrix was accused of costing sites bandwidth. While it may have been the wrong move to make, it was certainly an understandable one for them TO make. Sending a DMCA cease request is the correct way to inform someone to stop. Had they not stopped, then there would be fault to be found.
There has always been fault to be found. You obviously have not read the direct numbers from curse.com about how much of an impact the sites have as a result of wowmatrix and the parasitic way that it handles updates. It hurts the sites that we rely on. Period. This is fact, you cannot get around it because the numbers show it quite clearly.

This is FUD. While technical errors are aggravating, this is unremarkable. They were not hosting an out of date version of ARL- they were posting an automated link to a version that was out of date, and this is due to misconfiguration on the HOSTING end, which also got resolved very quickly. There are two ways you could be talking about how they list your addons: either the list of addons a user has installed (which is FUD) or the master list of addons which shows which addons they could install, which goes (went) to WoWI to collect them. As a user of your addons Lightheaded and TomTom, which I used to have to manually update (and have to again), I have never been poorly served by how WoWmatrix installed your addons. You may have felt aggrieved that you had to support someone who HAD run into difficulties, but you have no obligation to do this, and WoWmatrix is extrremely unlikely to have been adding to your support burden as the automated installer prevents a lot of manual mistakes.
Fine, that was one example. How about them continuing to host the last GPL'd version of Cartographer? They claim it's the latest, when it's not the case. Fine, I'll accept that you believe this is FUD, but then again you're not an author actually sitting here trying to support people.

They always claim to have the latest because "They update with WowMatrix every day". I find this out after four or five messages telling them to update the addon to fix a bug from weeks ago. Granted, it only happened after the block.. but it's still real.

It continues to happen with Cartographer.

Now as I say this, I acknowledge that I am not you and you may have had a greater support burden than I have stated here. If so, I am sorry. Regardless, while this may be a reason for you, personally, to take issue with WoWmatrix (or even on behalf of others), it is again not a reason for moral outrage. It's a technical error at worst, and ALL applications have them.
There is no moral outrage. I posted my reasons for not hosting my addons at wowmatrix. I believe I am completely within my right to do that (which you acknowledge), but I also believe I am justified in doing so. You can disagree, but that doesn't take the factual basis out of my arguments.

A fair reason for you to want to remove your addon. They were under no obligation to remove your addon from a list of addons they supported automation for, just as you are under no obligation to allow them to do so. This is FUD, regardless of its factual nature, however, as there is no wrongdoing here.
That is a matter of opinion. They essentially strip WOWIs ads and display their own. Were this not the case, I'd not have as much of a problem.

The last fact I acknowledged previously, as the current verbiage of choice is no longer that they were stealing bandwidth, but that they are utilizing bandwidth in violation of terms of usage. Since there are no terms of usage posted on the site before allowing access to the site, this could be debated, but really, it doesn't matter if I DO debate it, as they have (again) every right to block access by anyone or anything for any reeason.

My apologies- I just saw the last line about not wanting to get into a debate with me. You have withheld damaging commentary, but not your opinion (as I have not withheld mine). I disagree that the arguments presented are not FUD in some cases (as outlined), but it doesn't matter about my opinion. Your RIGHT to not host/allow access is definitely agreed upon. Should you wish to terminate this discussion now, I will not continue or browbeat you. Should you wish to post a final response to this one, I will read it respectfully (as I hope I have shown!) and decline to comment further except if you specifically request a response.
I'm willing to concede some points, but you remain uneducated about one major point. Wowmatrix displays ads. Period. the fact that they essentially strip the ads from Curse and WowInterface and display their own is a morally reprehensible act by my definition.
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Yes, they've created a phenomenal product. A product which they produce and make money by using other people's copyright and the two other sites bandwidth. Had they approached the main sites and worked with them to create something that displayed the site's ads and was able to be controlled in a way.. then I would be behind it 100%. It's incredibly unfortunate that they took the route they did.
They do not "use two other sites bandwidth" except inasmuch as they direct users who will be using that bandwidth to download anyway. And they do it for more than two sites. They use *less* bandwidth and server processor time in this fashion than users who would manually go and download those addons.
They had no onus (nor requirement!) to go to any site whatsoever to reprint site ads. They have no obligation to do this. Bear in mind NO automated addon download tool does this, even the Curse's own tool (and WoWI doesn't have one yet; I DO look forward to that day). While this is absolutely a *good* reason for Wowinterface and Curse to block Wowmatrix, there is no moral reprehensibility for this action.
(acknowledgement of previous arguments) I have seen lots of other folks claim that many users use web browsers with ad blockers that would seem to invalidate the argument, it nevertheless remains that there is no *way* to show ads in Wowmatrix, and that is a good enough reason for WoWI and Curse to want to block wowmatrix.


In violation of the copyright of Omen3, they download the addon and hosted it on their own servers. This is a complete violation of Xinhuan's copyright. This problem has since been resolved, but they didn't even consider relenting until a DMCA notification was sent to them. This is a fact.
Thank you- I had been looking for that. Note this is *after* Wowmatrix was accused of costing sites bandwidth. While it may have been the wrong move to make, it was certainly an understandable one for them TO make. Sending a DMCA cease request is the correct way to inform someone to stop. Had they not stopped, then there would be fault to be found.

This is a fact. They were hosting an out-of-date version of ARL which caused Ackis quite a bit of trouble. They continued to list TomTom and my addons on the updater where users continued to say "My addons are up to date". This was not the case and it caused me a lot of trouble. This is a fact.
This is FUD. While technical errors are aggravating, this is unremarkable. They were not hosting an out of date version of ARL- they were posting an automated link to a version that was out of date, and this is due to misconfiguration on the HOSTING end, which also got resolved very quickly. There are two ways you could be talking about how they list your addons: either the list of addons a user has installed (which is FUD) or the master list of addons which shows which addons they could install, which goes (went) to WoWI to collect them. As a user of your addons Lightheaded and TomTom, which I used to have to manually update (and have to again), I have never been poorly served by how WoWmatrix installed your addons. You may have felt aggrieved that you had to support someone who HAD run into difficulties, but you have no obligation to do this, and WoWmatrix is extrremely unlikely to have been adding to your support burden as the automated installer prevents a lot of manual mistakes.
Now as I say this, I acknowledge that I am not you and you may have had a greater support burden than I have stated here. If so, I am sorry. Regardless, while this may be a reason for you, personally, to take issue with WoWmatrix (or even on behalf of others), it is again not a reason for moral outrage. It's a technical error at worst, and ALL applications have them.

I had requested that my addons be removed from WowMatrix. The only way I had to contact them was via the contact form. I received no response and only after WowInterface blocked them did my addons get removed from the listing. This is a fact.
A fair reason for you to want to remove your addon. They were under no obligation to remove your addon from a list of addons they supported automation for, just as you are under no obligation to allow them to do so. This is FUD, regardless of its factual nature, however, as there is no wrongdoing here.


The last fact mentioned (bandwidth usage in violation of terms of service) I acknowledged previously, as the current verbiage of choice is no longer that they were stealing bandwidth, but that they are utilizing bandwidth in violation of terms of usage. Since there are no terms of usage posted on the site before allowing access to the site, this could be debated, but really, it doesn't matter if I DO debate it, as they have (again) every right to block access by anyone or anything for any reason.



My apologies- I just saw the last line about not wanting to get into a debate with me. You have withheld damaging commentary, but not your opinion (as I have not withheld mine). I disagree that the arguments presented are not FUD in some cases (as outlined), but it doesn't matter about my opinion. Your RIGHT to not host/allow access is definitely agreed upon. Should you wish to terminate this discussion now, I will not continue or browbeat you. Should you wish to post a final response to this one, I will read it respectfully (as I hope I have shown!) and decline to comment further except if you specifically request a response.
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Originally posted by Dranwyr
Poor verbiage on my part. I should have said FUD rather than misinformation, since any one of those could be true. I have heard LOTS of people reiterate those points, but *zero* factual substantiation which is why I picked that word. The best part is the change over on the final point over usage of bandwidth to usage of bandwidth in violation of their terms of usage which IS factually correct, and easy to find. The reason I posted in the way I did is due to the very wearying (to me) tone of moral outrage associateed with an automated download tool.
This is where we disagree. I have nothing wrong with an automated download tool, but I specifically disagree with this one for the reasons I list.. which I will reiterate.

It's not morally reprehensible, and while there have been issues with getting functionality addon authors may have desired into a tool whose sole purpose is to make an end-user's life easier, the fact remains that requirements made of Wowmatrix have been followed through with REMARKABLE alacrity. Better even than host site's response time.
Yes, they've created a phenomenal product. A product which they produce and make money by using other people's copyright and the two other sites bandwidth. Had they approached the main sites and worked with them to create something that displayed the site's ads and was able to be controlled in a way.. then I would be behind it 100%. It's incredibly unfortunate that they took the route they did.

They have a great product, you're not saying anything wrong there.

But really the point I failed to make (my fault) is, the only point that actually matters is that is is YOUR addon, and you have the right to host it and control it however you please. The other reasons don't matter except inasmuch as they help (or hinder) you in arriving at any decision you make. [/b]
And this is precisely where I have an issue. You say there is no factual substantiation of my claims. This is not the case:

* WowMatrix has violated author copyright by hosting addons without permission and changing the code of the addons it does install.
In violation of the copyright of Omen3, they download the addon and hosted it on their own servers. This is a complete violation of Xinhuan's copyright. This problem has since been resolved, but they didn't even consider relenting until a DMCA notification was sent to them. This is a fact.

* WowMatrix has hosted out of date versions of numerous addons causing the authors to spend signifigant amounts of time providing support for users who refused to acknowledge that they were using an out-of-date version of addons.
This is a fact. They were hosting an out-of-date version of ARL which caused Ackis quite a bit of trouble. They continued to list TomTom and my addons on the updater where users continued to say "My addons are up to date". This was not the case and it caused me a lot of trouble. This is a fact.

* When authors request that their addons be removed from WowMatrix, they have not complied.
I had requested that my addons be removed from WowMatrix. The only way I had to contact them was via the contact form. I received no response and only after WowInterface blocked them did my addons get removed from the listing. This is a fact.

* They have been and continue to try to utilize the bandwidth and hosting technology of Curse and WowInterface in clear violation of the terms of service of those websites.
This is a fact.

I really do not want to get in a debate with you, but please don't go around claiming that my response to this is FUD or not fact-based. It is. I specifically left my opinions out of the response.
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