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DugiGuides 08-28-12 03:02 AM

Carbonite Alternative for MoP
 
Hi everyone, I'm Dugi and I developed a lightweight addon that was inspired by Carbonite.

Dugi Questing Essentials

I have included a lot of features that you love about Carbonite (everything except for the google map)

But some of the other features are much better such as

- The NPC tracking with 'Find Nearest' feature to help you find NPCs for professions, flightmaster, vendors, etc
- The Taxi System which automatically create a route for you. This will include all forms of transportations such as teleport spells or items, boats, zeppelins, available flight master, the speed of your mount.

This is a well maintained addon and we have the funding to continue developing it to include more stuff in the future. Check it out as I'm sure you will like it, if you have any questions or please ask them in the comment section of the addon link and not here as this is the Carbonite forum.

Thanks
-Dugi.

schwim 08-28-12 08:31 AM

I believe you will find over 3/4 of the people that still use this increasingly buggy addon use it for it's map(myself included).

Any plans to integrate something of the sort into yours?

Spahut 08-28-12 11:31 AM

Yeah, must have google maps!

Reddsonja 08-28-12 12:43 PM

Yup, google map is a biggie as is the ability to detect enemy players close by. I also like how it shows you all the gold and items all of your characters have but I know other addons can do that so it's no big deal.

Quest tracking and ease of setting waypoints is nice too. And I love the little map inside a map thing and the way Carbonite rearranges the little icons such as: Clock, calendar, raid/dungeon finder, any other addon icon, etc etc.

Catitude 08-28-12 02:36 PM

It's all about the MAP
 
For me and 100's of other users that I have personally talked with, over Mutiple servers, including over half of the members of a 25th lvl guild, IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MAP!!!!
The Google style Map is the best one I have found for WoW & I have tried every Map addon that has crossed my path in over 4yrs
If I could find another addon with all of the Map features Carbonite has, I would bid Carbonite a loving tearful goodbye & deal with the things I don't like in other addons to get some of the flexability back. :(
I would rather not have to...
Yes I love the quest log, though I use it on ALT L rather than it fully replacing Blizz's own as there are couple of features Blizz has that I prefer...
Carbonite Quest tracking? I put up with the errors because I love the pinpoint accuracy 99% of the time
I don't believe this would be the appropriate place to Debate the Pro's & Cons of Paid questing /leveling addons vs Free. I use both...
I never have used the Carbonite Social Window as I'm ok with the original...

All in all if I had to pick a few of the 50+ addons Curse Client says I use & the 2 I have from elsewhere
Carbonite would always be the first on my list.
Regrettably I have no clue how to fix it for MoP.
If someone were to give me an exact list of what need to be changed, what to change it to, and where, I could do that. I would be happy to & have done just that in many SP games over the years.

skyesfury 08-28-12 04:55 PM

The map is indeed the primary reason I use Carbonite.

It's gonna suck if it's no longer useable.

Tempista 08-28-12 05:12 PM

I too am gonna have to say the map is where it is at. That was a huge sell for me and a few of my friends. I will, however, check out your UI and see if I like it enough to ditch Carbonite.

Maeby 08-28-12 06:48 PM

I would even go so far as to say, that most of the time, I would prefer to have nothing but the map!

Has no one, even Carbonite themselves, made an addon that is just the fabulous map?

Rythal 08-28-12 06:50 PM

I admit it aswell... 99% is the map for me, 1% is the quest tracker, I love how it looks and shudder when carbonite's not loaded and I see the default one.

shadow78 08-28-12 08:09 PM

http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=43773

DugiGuides 08-28-12 09:13 PM

well those are valuable feedbacks, perhaps sometime after MoP is released we'll try to add this feature.

The map and the quest tracker need to be able to work together and carbonite does this by using their own quest tracker and data. Otherwise all you have is the google map without any quest tracking information.

Creating the quest tracker data is I think the bulk of the work.. but if its possible data mine those information straight from the files then it would be much easier.

Ideally we would still use the Blizzard quest tracker itself.. as there's no sense in reinventing the wheel.

Rythal 08-28-12 09:18 PM

actually in the version people are using as of today, it is entirely blizzards quest data... to many quests have changed in the 10 starting area's so I made the decision to temporarily disable it's internal database within the fan update.

9Nails 08-28-12 10:05 PM

Hi Dugi,

I use and paid for your guides, and donated to Carbonite as well. Love both these add-ons and can't highly recommend them enough. Dugi's mob targeting and the quest navigation features are a fantastic time saver that make WoW a lot more enjoyable. And your narratives for the quests are better than slogging through any quest narrative to try and decipher what you're supposed to do...

Like others here, I also find Carbonite a *Must Have* for the Google Maps-like feature, and warehouse / inventory tracking, and finally for the "GoTo Map Coordinates" feature. Carbonite is a nice to have for the player tracking, and quest status broadcasting to party. Finally, Carbonite helps me with Gathering by offering node location importing for my gathering professions and also allows me to place notes on the map. Like, "* - Good place to farm Cloth." So Carbonite is different enough from Dugi's guides, and has some irreplaceable features. If you're looking to develop these into your guides, hey, I already said I pay for your products, so there you go :)

-happy customer

Kreelor 08-29-12 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rythal (Post 260643)
I admit it aswell... 99% is the map for me, 1% is the quest tracker, I love how it looks and shudder when carbonite's not loaded and I see the default one.

You made me laugh out-loud to myself!

When you said you "shudder" when carbonite's not loaded, it reminded me that I go into an absolute coma! I can't figure out where to start playing the game without workable maps! ha ha.

I don't need the quest-tracking tool. I never use it, since the Zygor Leveling Guide is far superior.

The important features of the Carbonite addon to me (beyond the required zoomable, detailed maps) are:

* Warehouse

* The red "?" guide (which has been broken for several years!) to help me locate various things.

* Right-clicking on the map(s) to set my own direction to specific locations like the entrance to a cave or a "break" in the mountains that I can transverse, etc.

* The ability to add Notes to the maps with details. Actually, the Notes system could be improved greatly.

At my age (67) sometimes it's hard to remember where certain things are. And, it's especially difficult because Blizzard failed to help users by providing NECESSARY information. For instance, if you're a Horde char around lvl 11 in Fairbreeze Village (Eversong Woods area) and you need to find the "Orb of Translocation," to get to Silverpine Forest, how in the hell can you find it, since it's not on any map nor in any textual directions in the game? A "Note" makes it easy to find the next time you need to get there, assuming you can find the damned thing in the first place! You need it in order to go to Silverpine Forest easily without running 5,000 miles on foot!

That holds true also for finding the CLOSEST Trainer or Vendor of any kind. Carbonite no longer supplies that info correctly. When you ask Carbonite's Guide (the red "?") where the closest Fishing Trainer is while you are in Booty Bay (Stranglethorn Vale)... and you are standing on the toes of a Fishing Trainer --- Carbonite will tell you that you need to go to Kalimdor or Northrend to find the "closest" one! Absurdity.

I'm mentioning these pet peeves because they are time consuming, unless you have a photographic memory and instant recall ability. The "Guide" used to be workable years ago. I wish it was again, especially since Blizzard moves doo-doo around just for the fun of it.

I forgot a major pet peeve of mine; Why are there no icons on any map nor any instructions (a list) of PORTALS in the game itself to travel to far-away locations from where you are currently? Blizzard forces users to leave the game and go to a 3rd-party website just to find out how to play the game which they got paid to produce!!!

I pray that you keep some of these issues in mind as well, as long as you're doing such a great job of helping thousands of us.

faerosong 08-29-12 04:20 PM

I am most interested in sharing quests with my party. The way carbonite does the updates is great. Is there any other addon that can do that? I think maybe questhelper did but last I saw that was still pretty broken.

schizophrena 08-29-12 09:43 PM

Am I the only one that loves the call out ability and zoom ability (well I guess that part goes with the map) of the battlegrounds? I absolutely love calling out incoming attacks quickly and saying how many are coming. Along with the ability to see what players are in combat, where they are, and their health - JUST by looking at the map. I usually call out incoming, tell people to help certain bases or even attack other bases by using Carbonite. I do not know if there is a good replacement for that, but that is something I love to use.

xmanii 08-30-12 06:21 AM

Not really liking to do "me too" posts, but yea, that map in carbonite, is sexy :banana:

bigsleepy121 08-30-12 09:59 PM

humm.... :(
 
in my opinion its nowhere near a replacement for carbonite. I tried it before rythal did his fan update (witch is awesome). Now this is a very good addon don't get me wrong, its just not what people here are looking for. This is a good questing /mapster type addon but no carbonite. Please add Google map/right click way point feature/bg map/ Warehouse ect. ( pretty much all the stuff people loves carbonite ) then we can all call it a Carbonite Alternative for MoP. like i said very good addon just not and very good Alternative.

Pelargonia 08-31-12 10:50 AM

The Warehouse is one of the things about Carbonite that I found the most convenient, especially since Blizzard instituted its own quest tracking features. I am checking out other Quest Trackers including Dugi's to see if I can find anything that I like to use still in place of Carbonite, and there are several out there, but I cannot find a replacement for the Warehouse.

Spahut 09-01-12 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DugiGuides (Post 260534)
Thanks
-Dugi.


Actually Dugi, sorry to have been negative with the map (i just miss it a lot) - your addon is very nice, and useful. Thanks for sharing.

Chmee 09-01-12 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelargonia (Post 261468)
The Warehouse is one of the things about Carbonite that I found the most convenient, especially since Blizzard instituted its own quest tracking features. I am checking out other Quest Trackers including Dugi's to see if I can find anything that I like to use still in place of Carbonite, and there are several out there, but I cannot find a replacement for the Warehouse.

Altoholic?

DugiGuides 09-01-12 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsleepy121 (Post 261366)
in my opinion its nowhere near a replacement for carbonite. I tried it before rythal did his fan update (witch is awesome). Now this is a very good addon don't get me wrong, its just not what people here are looking for. This is a good questing /mapster type addon but no carbonite. Please add Google map/right click way point feature/bg map/ Warehouse ect. ( pretty much all the stuff people loves carbonite ) then we can all call it a Carbonite Alternative for MoP. like i said very good addon just not and very good Alternative.

It does have a click waypoint feature and a very good one too. See description below.

Quote:

Waypoint System with Taxi Feature - Works similar to TomTom, clicking the Quest POI in your Objective Tracker will automatically place a waypoint for the quest. The waypoint arrow will turn green if you enter the selected quest area.

You can also create your waypoint by CTRL + Right Click on your map and you can also link them together by holding SHIFT + Right Click on your map.

Taxi feature will automatically create the fastest possible route using flight master, teleport spells, portals, boats zeppelins and available items. Video http://youtu.be/CPx5RsqJh2M
as for Bg Map and Warehouse, I will never add those options in as I don't believe in creating an addon to become a Swiss army knife.. I would like a knife to be a knife.

It is a questing addon and will stay focus only for questing, in my opinion the Google map so far is the only option we are really missing to make this addon complete.

It is better to use other addons for BGs and Warehousing, that way it remain separate and no one is forced to have them loaded the way it is now.

thinkdunson 09-01-12 05:57 PM

swiss army knife
 
i've been using carbonite for years now. i started back when you had to pay for it. over the years i've gotten to where i believe i use almost every feature it has. there are so freaking many useful features in carbonite, it's ridiculous. to me, a true replacement would include all of these things. the warehouse, the zoom out, the google map, the fast and easy waypoints, the quest tracker, the emote sound when you complete a quest... god there are so many more, both big and small. i'm seriously going to be crippled without this addon.

edit: after watching the demo video, i will definitely be using dugi's add-on, if only for the tracking and map icons.

myrroddin 09-01-12 06:04 PM

thinkdunson, Carbonite is dying precisely because of all the features it has. Maintaining such a beast is a massive undertaking, and adding new features is a supreme headache.

There is a fan update on these boards, but it isn't working 100%, and realistically, Carbonite, for all its greatness, should be left to peacefully die in its sleep. Aside from the Google style maps, every other feature in Carbonite is duplicated in other addons that are specifically designed to only do that one thing, and do it well.

Rythal 09-01-12 06:22 PM

TBH carbonite dying or not is irrelevant, I would never use Dugi's addon just because of this post. I personally find it very bad taste to go into another addon's forum just to say "Hey come use mine!".

That would be like walking into walmart and telling everyone walking in the door "hey you should shop at zellers instead."

Talyrius 09-01-12 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rythal (Post 261833)
TBH carbonite dying or not is irrelevant, I would never use Dugi's addon just because of this post. I personally find it very bad taste to go into another addon's forum just to say "Hey come use mine!".

That would be like walking into walmart and telling everyone walking in the door "hey you should shop at zellers instead."

That analogy isn't accurate, because the store is no longer open for business. The store closed without any explanation as to why or when, if ever, it might reopen. Meanwhile, the homeless have broken in and are living there.

growlings 09-01-12 07:58 PM

I'm gonna have to disagree, Rythal. Carbonite is dead in the water. The authors have given up on the addon. These forums are swamped daily by people hoping for either A) the authors to return to Carbonite or B) for someone who has created a replacement (I'm in this group). TBH, I've been against fan updates for addons ever since LunarSphere was dropped by it's author and given to the community to fix. I loved that addon and after watching fans update it the entire thing became a mess and I had to let it go. In the end I just wished the author would've taken the addon with him when he left to save myself and others a lot of grief.

Basically I'm saying there's nothing wrong with Dugi coming here and trying to help people replace an addon that, for the time being, has reached the end of its life with no hope for future development. I should mention that although I disapprove of fan updates I do respect them for what they try to do- save a vital part of a player's gaming experience. Unless you can some how take over where the authors left off (which you've said you won't do which is obviously understandable) then the updates you implement will merely be band-aides prolonging the inevitable. Eventually you're going to hit a roadblock which will leave the addon broken thus discontinue the updates or you'll have to take more liberties with the code.

(I do not say any of the above to be condescending but merely an insight into fan updates and the roadblocks that most all succumb to) And this whole post was way longer than I intended to be.

DugiGuides 09-01-12 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rythal (Post 261833)
TBH carbonite dying or not is irrelevant, I would never use Dugi's addon just because of this post. I personally find it very bad taste to go into another addon's forum just to say "Hey come use mine!".

That would be like walking into walmart and telling everyone walking in the door "hey you should shop at zellers instead."

I don't mean any disrespect, I though it was ok because the addon are free.

That analogy would imply that I'm stealing paying customer but carbonite is also free.

schizophrena 09-01-12 11:28 PM

I don't think there is disrespect in offering another addon as an alternative. When Carbonite is fixed, or given up by the authors, then people can make their own decisions as to if they keep the alternatives etc.

As to saying if Carbonite is dead - the update hasn't even been out a week and people are proclaiming it's dead. They have been doing that the past bunch of major updates and each time the authors have come back and worked on it. Give them time to make a proper announcement and/or fix before assuming - otherwise you are like the many other people who are neigh-saying who silently eat their words later (and usually they say the same thing the next time there is a major update).

kittykatmax 09-02-12 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DugiGuides (Post 261867)
I don't mean any disrespect, I thought it was ok because the addon are free.

That analogy would imply that I'm stealing paying customer but carbonite is also free.

I think it's safe to say that Carbonite is one of those addons that many people become so reliant upon (most particularly because of the awesome maps) that their emotions can't help but be involved.

If your post and people's responses (regarding how amazing the "Google" maps are) influence you to create an equivalent map, I will be eternally grateful. Carbonite offers/offered a ton of awesome features, but the map is THE feature I miss the most, as it's the one I've never been able to replace. No addon/combination of addons comes even close.

Over the years I have found Carbonite to be too unstable to use for very long. I would give Carbonite another try because I missed it so much but low fps, video stuttering issues (despite a high end gaming system) and a significant increase in game disconnects would drive me away again. I would be beyond thrilled if you could duplicate its functionality in your addon and hope you give it some serious thought.

myrroddin 09-02-12 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DugiGuides (Post 261867)
That analogy would imply that I'm stealing paying customer but carbonite is also free.

Free, as in "free beer", not as in "free speech." Carbonite is copywrite-protected by the original authors. Technically, the fan update is breaking copyright law.

What I mean is, yes, all addons must be free to download and install, but most are not free as in "here, have at it." Someone pays for the beer, but gives it to you for at no cost. That someone owns the beer, not you.

Chmee 09-02-12 12:55 PM

Well, he can have his beer back when I'm done with it.:banana::eek::banana:

Kreelor 09-02-12 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schizophrena (Post 261880)
I don't think there is disrespect in offering another addon as an alternative. When Carbonite is fixed, or given up by the authors, then people can make their own decisions as to if they keep the alternatives etc.

As to saying if Carbonite is dead - the update hasn't even been out a week and people are proclaiming it's dead. They have been doing that the past bunch of major updates and each time the authors have come back and worked on it. Give them time to make a proper announcement and/or fix before assuming - otherwise you are like the many other people who are neigh-saying who silently eat their words later (and usually they say the same thing the next time there is a major update).

You said (in part):
Quote:

"Give them time to make a proper announcement and/or fix..........."
But, they fixed only one thing in the last update, nearly 4 months ago, as of today.

Quote:

Change Log -- May 6, 2012
Changes: 4.301
-- Fixed warning that version is old.
I think that speaks volumes.

schizophrena 09-02-12 04:21 PM

Right, because up till Tuesday (5 days ago) things were still functional. These people have busy lives, to my knowledge they do not play WoW anymore (I believe they stated that a long time ago) except on occasions to test and fix the product.

So, give them time to do their busy lives - enjoy their labor day weekend and get to this when they have time. I don't blame them for not working on an addon on what is mine (and I assume theirs) long weekend. Nor do I blame them for not working on it the exact week or two after the update that breaks the add-on.

lostdreamer 09-03-12 10:46 AM

Thanks for posting an alternative. I've used carbonite for....ages and find myself not wanting to play when it doesn't function. I've been looking for alternatives since probably January of 2011..after Cata was released and the drama that ensued with this not being updated quickly after/before cata launched.

I've never found anything really that could replace it. I'm going to test yours and see how it goes. Thanks!

cowboy88340 09-03-12 11:15 AM

Carbonite Fan update
 
i have been using the fan update ever since it came out it is working ok steel a few bugs but for what i use carbonite for it is all good this is the link to the post for it http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=44031

Simulo 09-04-12 06:53 AM

Dugi, I wouldn't make a 'Google Maps', just use the 'Blizzard Map' like is shown in the screen shot showing the tracking ("Map Preview by pressing The Quest Button [...]"). This is simply because Blizzard adds to much to the world map. And to try and port those features over (like Archaeology!), took Carbonite forever.


I dunno what addon I use but I'm able to 'minimize' the fullscreen World Map and move it around...maybe Blizzard added that...or it could be Titan. The only issue is I can't zoom up on it so all the Gatherer Nodes, Dig Sites, and DMF Site are way to hard to see.


AND PLEASE, for the love of god keep it simple. If people want a 'warehouse' they can go get Bagnon or some other Bag Addon (most store alt bags). I want something that you do not dread needing to update. :D

DugiGuides 09-06-12 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 262288)
Dugi, I wouldn't make a 'Google Maps', just use the 'Blizzard Map' like is shown in the screen shot showing the tracking ("Map Preview by pressing The Quest Button [...]"). This is simply because Blizzard adds to much to the world map. And to try and port those features over (like Archaeology!), took Carbonite forever.

I dunno what addon I use but I'm able to 'minimize' the fullscreen World Map and move it around...maybe Blizzard added that...or it could be Titan. The only issue is I can't zoom up on it so all the Gatherer Nodes, Dig Sites, and DMF Site are way to hard to see.

AND PLEASE, for the love of god keep it simple. If people want a 'warehouse' they can go get Bagnon or some other Bag Addon (most store alt bags). I want something that you do not dread needing to update. :D

The Map Preview feature in it was kind of our attempt to replace the carbonite map, because the main thing I like about Carbonite map is clicking the quest tracker and the minimap will zoom in/out to display the location of the quest.

Our map preview does similar thing except its not capable of doing the zoom in/out effect. Obviously this isn't enough and Carbonite map is more than that.

For people that don't know you can minimize the Blizzard World Map by clicking the downleft arrow button on the top right of your World Map and that should minimize it. Then you can unlock it by right clicking the top bar to move it around anywhere on your screen. The Map Preview feature will only work with the World Map minimized.

eqsanctum 09-15-12 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DugiGuides (Post 260693)
well those are valuable feedbacks, perhaps sometime after MoP is released we'll try to add this feature.

The map and the quest tracker need to be able to work together and carbonite does this by using their own quest tracker and data. Otherwise all you have is the google map without any quest tracking information.

Creating the quest tracker data is I think the bulk of the work.. but if its possible data mine those information straight from the files then it would be much easier.

Ideally we would still use the Blizzard quest tracker itself.. as there's no sense in reinventing the wheel.

Negative ghost rider, proximity based quests, and having more then 10 quests on the screen are almost a given now-a-days. Reinvent the display of the quests. Forget blizzards ripoff.

Dig really hard into the questing portion of carbonite and you find more then simply a display of quests. 25 quests ( this should not be the limit either in default or otherwise i simply think its lazy coding imo, or shortsightedness ). Point is if I want to list my full quest log along with my entire list of achievement tracking I should be able to.

Blizzards quest tracker is a joke, write something better, re-invent the wheel, never stop doing better then what's in front of you. Just because it's been "the same way for 40 years son" doesn't it make it right, better, or faster.

Knaur 09-15-12 08:15 AM

party sharing
 
Does ths addon also share my partymembers quests like carbonite did? cause thats one of the reasons i used carbonite, to help my wife in boosting quests, and her quests showed up in my quest list even if i didnt have the quest myself. this is a very usefull and important function for me when i boost quests alot with party members

caccal2 09-15-12 09:01 AM

Party quest tracking
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Knaur (Post 264117)
Does ths addon also share my partymembers quests like carbonite did? cause thats one of the reasons i used carbonite, to help my wife in boosting quests, and her quests showed up in my quest list even if i didnt have the quest myself. this is a very usefull and important function for me when i boost quests alot with party members

As much as Carbonite adds to game for me, its not the maps I miss, its the party quest tracking in the quest watch window. I play with family and it makes it so much easier to see what quests they are on/not on or missed right there in the quest track/watch window. As Knaur asked is there a fan fix for this or another adddon someone can recommend?

Simulo 09-15-12 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eqsanctum (Post 264100)
Negative ghost rider, proximity based quests, and having more then 10 quests on the screen are almost a given now-a-days. Reinvent the display of the quests. Forget blizzards ripoff.

Because people have nothing better to do than keep an addon, that tracks ALL THE QUESTS IN THE GAME, FOR BOTH SIDES, up-to-date. Think of all the quest information Carbonite tracks (Item Count, Location, Finish Point, Item Use Button, Time Limits, few more things that I probably can't think of). Point is, we're in this thread looking for an alternative to Carbonite, because Carbonite is:

a) Taking too long to update
b) Abandoned (see 'a' for plausible reason)

So...you want another Carbonite, so it can overwhelm the author, who will eventually decides to not update...and we'll be back in a thread like this one looking for an alternative to Dugi's addon. :rolleyes:

Blizzard's tracker works just fine. Though it would be nice to darken the highlighted area; at quick glance it is hard to miss in places like Vash or places were the quest location is over water.

As for quest/achievement tracking, that's your personal preference. Personally, I never went over a "zone's worth" of quests...never even touched the achievement tracking; takes up too much space.

-One of the things I hate about Carbonite is that it'll randomly reactivate tracking of a quest I specifically told it not to track. Like "Alliance Needs More Purple Lotus", I like to keep it just for the "lawlz" when I share it in a raid....nice to see how many remember it, sad when more and more don't :(
But, ya, I don't want it tracked, but Carbonite refuses to remember.

-Another thing that seriously pisses me off is the fact that each BG has it's own separate map container, so I have to reposition the BG "World Map" for every freak'n BG per new BG or redo of my UI. Why in God's name didn't they just use the World Map container so you move ONE frame ONCE and you're set.


@Dugi

The mod is pretty much perfect as it is now. About the only thing I would add is a "zoomable world map" (much like Carbonite's). Doesn't even have to be this "Google Map"-style. Just something that I can zoom up on when resource nodes are in close proximity.
-If that's already in place, I have no idea how to access it :p

lindawing 09-15-12 05:41 PM

Dugi--Until the fan update was posted, I had switched to using Dugi Questing Essential, Mappy (for the square, resizable minimap with coordinates), and a couple of other add-ons for sounds (which I'm still using, because I don't care for Carbonite's limited quest-completion sounds).

I was comfortable using all those, EXCEPT that I really NEED that resizable map-external questing arrow that Carbonite provides. My (nearly 63-year-old) eyes have a hard time with Blizz' tiny little questing arrow, which your add-on makes use of. I also don't like that that arrow DISAPPEARS when you are in close proximity to the quest objective, giving no further sense of direction if the objective is moving. Carbonite's tracking arrow keeps track of those changes of direction, generally speaking, which is helpful to me.

I, too, like the incorporated maps in Carbonite, and the ability to have the minimap shown within the small map, square, and docked when inside. I like the dungeon maps, etc., but often forget to use them. Mostly I'm just a quest tracker, and sometimes I use the right-click "go to" capabilities to find a cave entrance or something like that.

If Carbonite goes down completely, I will probably switch to your Essential add-on. Does the paid version expand quite a bit on the free one?

For now, I'm basically happy with the fan-modded version of Carbonite, and if the official version that was patched last week ever gets patched again to fix the problems it created with that patch, I'll happily go back to it. If not, then I was already considering Dugi Questing. Thank you for posting here.:p

LarryGatlin 09-16-12 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lindawing (Post 264163)
If Carbonite goes down completely, I will probably switch to your Essential add-on. Does the paid version expand quite a bit on the free one?
p

What paid version? Thought that went away a while back, reason there is only one version of Carbonite.

Reference http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1021053914

1) Add-ons must be free of charge. All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on. 2) Add-on code must be completely visible. The programming code of an add-on must in no way be hidden or obfuscated, and must be freely accessible to and viewable by the general public



Unless I misunderstood what you were saying.

Rythal 09-16-12 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryGatlin (Post 264286)
What paid version? Thought that went away a while back, reason there is only one version of Carbonite.

Reference http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1021053914

1) Add-ons must be free of charge. All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on. 2) Add-on code must be completely visible. The programming code of an add-on must in no way be hidden or obfuscated, and must be freely accessible to and viewable by the general public



Unless I misunderstood what you were saying.

removed because it's my own thoughts and ponderings and asked about elsewhere.

LarryGatlin 09-16-12 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rythal (Post 264287)
removed because it's my own thoughts and ponderings and asked about elsewhere.

? Now I am really getting confused!!! Must be the Old age thing. I was responding to lindawing on his remarks about Digi's addin which he stated the "free or Lite" version, if the "Paid" version was better.

Carbonite used to have a "Lite" version till Blizzard changed the rules to the above.

BTW, you did a great job on your fixes, still using it. Hopefully Faatal will have a new improved version when MOP goes live!!

Take Care

Rythal 09-16-12 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryGatlin (Post 264326)
? Now I am really getting confused!!! Must be the Old age thing. I was responding to lindawing on his remarks about Digi's addin which he stated the "free or Lite" version, if the "Paid" version was better.

Carbonite used to have a "Lite" version till Blizzard changed the rules to the above.

BTW, you did a great job on your fixes, still using it. Hopefully Faatal will have a new improved version when MOP goes live!!

Take Care

Dont get confused :) I had posted a response to your comment, but then thought better of it because I don't like stirring up bees... and if people had read it, that's what would of happened.

jeruku 09-16-12 10:46 PM

Here are some addons/services that are over looked by the average Carbonite user. Then again I use Armory anyway because of what it monitors. If you prefer mostly all-in-ones the Dugi kit doesn't look too shabby for questing, otherwise here's some minor tweaks one can use to alternate the play style.(I play demonology the way no other warlock would... without a demon.)

Warehouse = Armory

Quest Tracker = QuestGuru

Map = ....

Travel Routing = TomTom
(TomTomLite does Archaeology tracking as an added bonus... if you dislike bloat.)

Quest Guides = wowhead.com, wowwiki.com, wowpedia.com, etc.(I was once called a wow pro.)

Minimap POI's = QuestPointer

LarryGatlin 09-17-12 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rythal (Post 264331)
Dont get confused :) I had posted a response to your comment, but then thought better of it because I don't like stirring up bees... and if people had read it, that's what would of happened.

Ah, Understand, there appears to be enough flame wars going on, all over a "Game".

Caremsis 09-23-12 07:39 AM

RUMA:

http://rythal.com/

eqsanctum 09-23-12 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 264154)
Because people have nothing better to do than keep an addon, that tracks ALL THE QUESTS IN THE GAME, FOR BOTH SIDES, up-to-date. Think of all the quest information Carbonite tracks (Item Count, Location, Finish Point, Item Use Button, Time Limits, few more things that I probably can't think of). Point is, we're in this thread looking for an alternative to Carbonite, because Carbonite is:

a) Taking too long to update
b) Abandoned (see 'a' for plausible reason)


Uh no, when they wrote carbonite it required a database. There is no requirement for the database now. You can look up the quests in the log, temp store them while you have those quests only. DG's addon is great but there is no reason to not push farther. Also the in game quest tracker does not track something without an objective. that is flippin annoying beyond belief.


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Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 264154)
So...you want another Carbonite, so it can overwhelm the author, who will eventually decides to not update...and we'll be back in a thread like this one looking for an alternative to Dugi's addon. :rolleyes:

Nope, we help Dugi upgrade to something better. The only limitation here is the unwillingness to strive for something better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 264154)
Blizzard's tracker works just fine. Though it would be nice to darken the highlighted area; at quick glance it is hard to miss in places like Vash or places were the quest location is over water.

It doesn't work fine. It is limited, a blatant ripoff of addon developers of the past, and can be improved immensely, otherwise this forum we're in right now wouldn't exist. You want to advocate an alternative, fine, make sure it's comparable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 264154)
As for quest/achievement tracking, that's your personal preference. Personally, I never went over a "zone's worth" of quests...never even touched the achievement tracking; takes up too much space.

Can you track 25 quests? Better yet, can you track non-objective quests? Nope. Can you show more then 10 achievement tracks? Nope. Does it show your daily resets? Again - You want to advocate an alternative, fine, make sure it's comparable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 264154)
-One of the things I hate about Carbonite is that it'll randomly reactivate tracking of a quest I specifically told it not to track. Like "Alliance Needs More Purple Lotus", I like to keep it just for the "lawlz" when I share it in a raid....nice to see how many remember it, sad when more and more don't :(
But, ya, I don't want it tracked, but Carbonite refuses to remember.

Good thing this isn't about Carbonite.

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Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 264154)
-Another thing that seriously pisses me off is the fact that each BG has it's own separate map container, so I have to reposition the BG "World Map" for every freak'n BG per new BG or redo of my UI. Why in God's name didn't they just use the World Map container so you move ONE frame ONCE and you're set.

Dunno what to tell ya there... /shrug



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Originally Posted by Simulo (Post 264154)
@Dugi

The mod is pretty much perfect as it is now. About the only thing I would add is a "zoomable world map" (much like Carbonite's). Doesn't even have to be this "Google Map"-style. Just something that I can zoom up on when resource nodes are in close proximity.
-If that's already in place, I have no idea how to access it :p

It's not perfect DG, you have an awesome addon. Your awesomeness shines through in it, its got heart and it shows. You can do better because you're awesome don't be held back by mediocrity strive for excellence.

Rhoniel 09-23-12 03:03 PM

haaa
 
its not the map its the

Quest complete voice I miss that the most :)

Simulo 09-24-12 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by eqsanctum (Post 264869)
snip

Then I would suggest DG make it completely modular.

-Map (like Carbonite's 'world map/BG map' that's always displayed [default])
-Quest Tracking
-"Taxi Cab" Arrow
-Warehouse
-Achievement Tracking
-Sound (ie quest completion, waypoint reach sound effects)
--probably a few more

Basically, try and modularize (don't think it's a work, but feck it!) based on like-API. That way if Blizzard changes something. It won't break the entire mod.

A good example would be Altoholic, which had it's Data Broker module break after the recent hotfix (5.0.5 I think). Because it was modular the rest of the addon remained fully operational.


//Side Note

-Sorry, I thought the Quest DB was needed to track beyond the '10 (or what ever it is) trackable quests at a time' limit. And what quests don't have an objective? Or is that in reference to not being able to track Achievements, which is just..."working as intended", it's a Quest tracker after all (:p).

-But there's no reason for DG to make his addon a "total replacement" addon, it'll just overwhelm him.

-(skip, Devs shouldn't be pissed off if Blizzard incorporates a change that they did as an addon)

-Again, why would you want a screen section full of text? If it's a simple fix then fine, but if it's a long involved process of shoe-horning API calls to the Questing API into a temp DB then F-it, not worth it.

-Dailies reset midnight, server time; check the clock :p

-As for the purple lotus thing, the point was that Carbonite's quest tracking system (which doesn't use Blizzard's) is flawed, I don't want DG's turning into something like that.

-Again, pointing out why DG is fine as it is. The more people want it to do, the worse it will become. It was probably easier for Carbonite's team to just make a new container to put the BG Maps into than to get them to work with in one "Map Container". I want it nice and simple so if DG decides to move on others can quickly pick it up and maintain it.

--Again, make it modular. Please DG.

roylepython 09-24-12 01:50 AM

Hmmmm im new here so i dont understand the personality clashes. Carbonite was a amazing addon but from what ive seen there has been no updates for it and is it dead or i read somewhere once a fan version was being made until a non returning author returned cus id love to use it again.

Secondly im seeing alot of things about "Paid" addons and people who Purchased things which is why this flaming is happening doesnt that break wow ToS to pay for addons

"All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on."


or has this changed now?

Heian 09-24-12 02:18 AM

No, this hasn't changed, addons must be free of charge. Otherwise the authors would have to pay a license to Blizzard. Which doesn't happen.

roylepython 09-24-12 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Heian (Post 264930)
No, this hasn't changed, addons must be free of charge. Otherwise the authors would have to pay a license to Blizzard. Which doesn't happen.

Im so glad im at a loss for why this is even beginning to be a point i came back here to look if these awesome authors had come up with a new version of carbonite or a newer version made from the old after all

2) Add-on code must be completely visible.

The programming code of an add-on must in no way be hidden or obfuscated, and must be freely accessible to and viewable by the general public.


and my only reason for pointing this out is people are arguing over who started it... Does it matter as long as World of Warcraft users still see the benefit into Mist of Pandaria and it doesnt go into the LOST addons realm. Carbonite WAS a great addon it looks like slowly its being super seeded either because its authors were too busy to play and update it or real life took over i hope carbonite does get a revamp or i hope someone picks it up as it saves MANY hours game play so respect to the original author btw HERE is Blizzards addon policy that im refering to in the HOPE this addon returns

Entropyutd 09-24-12 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Maeby (Post 260642)
I would even go so far as to say, that most of the time, I would prefer to have nothing but the map!

Has no one, even Carbonite themselves, made an addon that is just the fabulous map?

I echo the comments here.
If these guys just want to take the donations and do sod all with the add on, then maybe someone out there could just do a map add on.

The map is the ONLY thing stopping me ditching this add on.


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