http://www.wowinterface.com/download...nitFrames.html, yes. After digging around I saw that X-Perl, Perl Classic, have the dragon when necessary to the target frame and I noticed showing/hiding is in the UI after reading through that mess. I just figured if both of those have the regular (dragon, pvp icon, etc) then maybe there is a way for myself to add that back into with the Bframes for my own personal use (can't get a response from the author so I'm stuck. The other mentioned player frames have nice stuff but are too heavy for my liking and the regular ones don't have the simple selection of things but the Bframes do but if it's something rather difficult to do without re writing the whole mod then Ill have to shop around. Thanks for the response!!!