Carbonite outdated ?

carboniteaddon · 12-02-11, 02:51 PM

Haavok and I actually do have full time jobs and wives and kids. We put an update out 48 hours after the patch came out. How is that "forgetting"?

Chmee · 12-03-11, 05:35 PM

Unfortunately, this is the "instant gratification" age. In this context, some people just can't stand it when their favorite add-on doesn't work to their satisfaction, they report the "bug", and the devs don't come out with an update in 0.42 milliseconds. :roll eyes:

Keep up the good work, devs!

Morpheusdead · 04-01-12, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Chmee

Unfortunately, this is the "instant gratification" age. In this context, some people just can't stand it when their favorite add-on doesn't work to their satisfaction, they report the "bug", and the devs don't come out with an update in 0.42 milliseconds. :roll eyes:

Keep up the good work, devs!

And this was the latest post by either carboniteaddon or havoc. So 4 mo's + and they haven't even responded to a single post. I would say they have abandoned their obligations, I sure hope people are not STILL giving them money as they have in essence quit. BTW havoc has not even LOGGED into the site wowinterface in over 4 months much less done anything, I would say its safe to assume he doesn't care anymore. I mean even with jobs, kids and a life it takes what 5 seconds to open your browser and go to the site.

Chmee · 04-01-12, 03:03 PM

What "obligation"?

If I were a dev, and people repeatedly posted that I didn't care, that I had abandoned my "obligation", I would rapidly come to the conclusion that I not only don't care, I shouldn't care. Screw 'em. I applaud Haavok and Faatal because they resisted that reaction for so long.

If you're convinced that "the devs don't care" and "carbonite is dead", then you might as well just quietly go away and find yourself another map add-on, or use the standard Blizz map. There's no point, if that's your opinion, in necroing old threads just so you can whine some more.

Morpheusdead · 04-01-12, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Chmee

What "obligation"?

If I were a dev, and people repeatedly posted that I didn't care, that I had abandoned my "obligation", I would rapidly come to the conclusion that I not only don't care, I shouldn't care. Screw 'em. I applaud Haavok and Faatal because they resisted that reaction for so long.

If you're convinced that "the devs don't care" and "carbonite is dead", then you might as well just quietly go away and find yourself another map add-on, or use the standard Blizz map. There's no point, if that's your opinion, in necroing old threads just so you can whine some more.

There absolutely is a POINT. And its a rather good one. A new to the game/community player might naively think that clicking those donation buttons that are still active, would serve a purpose. When in fact it does not. The developers have quite obviously abandoned this project, but in their supreme integrity left the donation buttons active.

I have noticed posts recently by people stating they have just now donated, thinking this is to help the dev's of an active mod. This is wrong if the dev isn't even logging onto the website for 4 months. Well what exactly is he collecting donations for? Past work?

Integrity would lead you to think one way, Maybe if I am done with this I should stop taking money for it. Greed would lead you another way, Hmmm people are still donating, hey lets collect as much as we can from this train til it stops. I mean hell I earned it for my work in the past RIGHT.

Whatever, look at it however you want. I thankfully have integrity. I was simply hoping to warn off less observant people, and save them their hard earned money in this calamitous economy. But hey you have a good day.

beef623 · 04-01-12, 10:58 PM

Sorry, I'm not seeing what the devs are doing wrong here. Dude's got a job and a family and he still keeps the addon up to date. What is it you expect him to do?

Also, if you're giving money and expecting something in return, that's not a donation. A donation by definition is a gift.

Chmee · 04-01-12, 11:09 PM

@Morpheus: be careful there. You can break an arm patting yourself on the back like that.

As for the rest, what beef said.

jeffy162 · 04-09-12, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Chmee

What "obligation"?

If I were a dev, and people repeatedly posted that I didn't care, that I had abandoned my "obligation", I would rapidly come to the conclusion that I not only don't care, I shouldn't care. Screw 'em. I applaud Haavok and Faatal because they resisted that reaction for so long.

If you're convinced that "the devs don't care" and "carbonite is dead", then you might as well just quietly go away and find yourself another map add-on, or use the standard Blizz map. There's no point, if that's your opinion, in necroing old threads just so you can whine some more.

HERE HERE!!!

Well said, Sir.

hilltop67 · 04-28-12, 07:05 PM

I remember 4.22, his daughter couldnt log in so he checked and seen that there where hundreds of people needing assistance. And we assisted with his hint to assist through Paypal, which by other financial standards puts him in binding contract for software release. I paid good money in the beginning and when 4.22 came out and if this is how he wants to be and I live very close to his city and would gladly put in a lawsuit against him for obligations that he put up the original software and I purchased it and have a copy of alot of discussion him and his so callled partner enjoyed our money quite well, Blizzard also put in there that all financial dollars collected wil be returned after a succesful lawsuit against another internet thief did the same things, all the records that everyone put in are now gone (funny huh) but we'll see who has the last laugh, don't play with fire it burns.

mccompunerd · 04-29-12, 02:04 PM

Just a heads up that someone is logged into the Carboniteaddon account and at least 15 minutes ago was in the process of replying to this thread

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carboniteaddon · 04-29-12, 02:07 PM

If you want to get technical, Carbonite, years ago, was sold as a subscription. Updates were provided only to active subscribers. Those subscriptions have all since expired.

The license (CarboniteLicenseAgreement.txt) has always stated:

NO WARRANTY. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", "AT YOUR OWN RISK", AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, COMPANY HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED CONDITIONS, REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NON-INFRINGEMENT OF ANY THIRD PARTY RIGHTS WITH RESPECT TO THE SOFTWARE. COMPANY DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE SOFTWARE IS ERROR-FREE OR THAT ACCESS TO THE SOFTWARE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED AND WITHOUT COMPROMISE TO SECURITY SYSTEMS.

Carbonite is currently available free of charge. Donations are accepted based on whatever reason someone decides to give us money. No decision has been made by us on the future of Carbonite. I would like to see it continue in some form. Opening up some of the data files, so that others could contribute by editing them easily is one possibility.

Urtia · 05-06-12, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by hilltop67

I remember 4.22, his daughter couldnt log in so he checked and seen that there where hundreds of people needing assistance. And we assisted with his hint to assist through Paypal, which by other financial standards puts him in binding contract for software release. I paid good money in the beginning and when 4.22 came out and if this is how he wants to be and I live very close to his city and would gladly put in a lawsuit against him for obligations that he put up the original software and I purchased it and have a copy of alot of discussion him and his so callled partner enjoyed our money quite well, Blizzard also put in there that all financial dollars collected wil be returned after a succesful lawsuit against another internet thief did the same things, all the records that everyone put in are now gone (funny huh) but we'll see who has the last laugh, don't play with fire it burns.

You know there Hilltop67 hate to say this here but that is blackmail out right and you have made public record of it and if you was to pursue a lawsuit I would make sure this would make light

.... Key words "we assisted" meaning that you didn't have to give any thing at all any lawyer would tell you that

jeffy162 · 04-01-12, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Morpheusdead

I would say they have abandoned their obligations

Please excuse my ignorance, but, what "obligations"?

Authors write and publish addons for free. An argument could even be made that they do it as a hobby. They have no "obligations" to anyone as far as addons are concerned. If an author chooses to abandon a project, they are under no obligation to even notify the public that they are choosing to do so. However, the authors of Carbonite have posted at least once (and possibly more than once) that they have no intention of abandoning this (Carbonite) project, and that they have every intention of notifying their users (of Carbonite) if, or when, that event might happen.

So, what obligations, please?

merak69 · 04-02-12, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by jeffy162

So, what obligations, please?

How about obligations to those that paid for the addon before it went free? Or obligations to those that donated for the addon even after it went free? As I recall, the paid version prior to going free included free updates as part of that for the life of the addon. If the life of the addon is done, then just say so.

I agree that those that haven't ever paid anything for it really don't have a leg to standon... It isn't very hard as a developer to at least keep the addon updated such that the "your Carbonite is outdated" message never shows or that the TOC stays up to date.

(As a side note, I paid for Carbonite before it went free and have donated since as well... I'm also an addon author... just so you don't think I'm being biased.)

Alaniis · 05-06-12, 09:24 AM

All of the preceeding nonsense aside, including the dire threats to the developers, my statement and question is simple and in two parts:

1. I LOVE Carbonite and have depended on it for the 2 years of my WOW addiction - thank you developers for the product. I've donated in the past and would glady do so again in the future.

2. Will there be a further update and if so when? I appreciate that the developers have lives and if no further updates are anticipated, then I'll (sadly) look for a replacement addon.

For the Alliance!

DrCuddles · 05-06-12, 10:40 AM

I understand that the addon isn't a priority right now but with new zones appearing I'd hope to at least see their maps added. It's so annoying have to hide my carbonite map

carboniteaddon · 05-06-12, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by DrCuddles

I understand that the addon isn't a priority right now but with new zones appearing I'd hope to at least see their maps added. It's so annoying have to hide my carbonite map

My thinking is to make the map data tables a separate file, so others could add or edit zones.
I would also fix basic errors caused by changes in the expansion.

Those would keep the addon usable for and after the expansion.

Chmee · 05-06-12, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Alaniis

2. Will there be a further update and if so when? I appreciate that the developers have lives and if no further updates are anticipated, then I'll (sadly) look for a replacement addon.

Faatal said "no decision has been made on the future of Carbonite". I presume that if/when such a decision is made, it will be announced here. "Waiting is," as the Martian said.

And I see that in his latest post, Faatal implies intent to at least fix errors and so keep the add-on working in future.

S@thi · 05-06-12, 04:42 PM

Glad to see some response.
I aswell donated in the past.. I don't mind doing it again.
Especially if the devs make it possible for other addon authors or supporters to keep the addon updated.
Carbonite has been a major help for me during questing and even in the bg's

I hope they make up their mind soon so that we can all enjoy the product again.
I was excited when a new release popped up on my screen, but was rather disappointed that the only fix that came with it was the version check

Changes: 4.301

Fixed warning that version is old.

I know it's a project / addon no warranties and such.. but if you guys plan to stop development on the addon please give it back to the supporting community.. with your help we can make it again the best addon out there.