I want to thank you for your great assistance. I dont think i can use titan bar cause tried adding it - your tip to move the bar down worked perfect, but titan bar made minimap go away. had to remove it in order for it to work. Will fiddle with it more later to see if i can figure it out but other then that i got a lot of addons to work perfectly with this UI. Now gotta decide what quest program to use and if i will install cartographer or not.