why would an installer need access to my computer?

[downset]

why would an installer need access to my computer? Why is there an installer at all?

this is just baffling, after blocking wowmatrix curse gives me the very buggy mac curse client 3.0 and you guys want full access to my computer to install something as simple as an updater?



thanks but no thanks

[Aizhia]

Originally Posted by downset why would an installer need access to my computer?

How else do you expect it to install anything?

Why is there an installer at all?

It's a choice.

thanks but no thanks

See above.

[downset]

Originally Posted by Aizhia How else do you expect it to install anything? It's a choice. See above.

i expect to get a program icon i can put wherever i want there is no reason for something as trivial as an updater to have its own installer

the point is exactly that i don't expect nor want it to install anything where the system rightfully doesn't give it access in the first place

it is a bad unnecessary choice, it make you look unprofessional or worse like you have some hidden wrong intentions (why else ask access to my system)

there are no popular mac applications that work like this as most users will refuse to install them

the warning is not a poor choice of words its exactly what it is, unrestrictive, i give permission to write/read anywhere in the system

[ravagernl]

MMOUI Minion isn't a native cocoa based application (the one that you can just drag to your applications folder). It's something written in java and because of that it is asking you for permission.

[downset]

a java application does not need permission of any kind to be copied on my hard drive

there are many far more complex multi platform java apps, that work (install wise) exactly like a cocoa app does i.e. an icon i copy to my preferred location (1 example would be jdownloader)

there is no reason to ask permission, it only needs permission if it wants to do things it shouldn't like:

1. install new libraries (os x has all installed as is)
2. copy files to places where they don't belong
3. its malware and wants to destroy stuff

whatever it wants to do its potentially system destroying

i would suggest to stop responding if all you want to do is blindly defend a very poor design choice for no other reason than to not admit it is a poor choice

[ravagernl]

Originally Posted by downset a java application does not need permission of any kind to be copied on my hard drive there are many far more complex multi platform java apps, that work (install wise) exactly like a cocoa app does i.e. an icon i copy to my preferred location (1 example would be jdownloader) there is no reason to ask permission, it only needs permission if it wants to do things it shouldn't like: 1. install new libraries (os x has all installed as is) 2. copy files to places where they don't belong 3. its malware and wants to destroy stuff whatever it wants to do its potentially system destroying i would suggest to stop responding if all you want to do is blindly defend a very poor design choice for no other reason than to not admit it is a poor choice

I have to agree about the apple philosophy about applications, however, Minion is an application that is meant to be cross compatible. And that goes for installing it as well. You can't say it's a poor design choice. It's just one way to tackle cross compatibility.

[Psychophan7]

Originally Posted by downset it is a bad unnecessary choice, it make you look unprofessional or worse like you have some hidden wrong intentions (why else ask access to my system) the warning is not a poor choice of words its exactly what it is, unrestrictive, i give permission to write/read anywhere in the system

You're complaining about "a poor choice of words" in the wrong place. I'm pretty sure that's a default warning written and provided by Apple themselves, not by Minion.

Also, I think you're being a bit (nah, overly) paranoid about the app. What is it going to do, delete every file and uninstall every other app? Highly unlikely. If it did do things to your computer that it shouldn't do, then other people would have already complained about it and Minion wouldn't be around anymore.

[downset]

Originally Posted by Psychophan7 You're complaining about "a poor choice of words" in the wrong place. I'm pretty sure that's a default warning written and provided by Apple themselves, not by Minion. Also, I think you're being a bit (nah, overly) paranoid about the app. What is it going to do, delete every file and uninstall every other app? Highly unlikely. If it did do things to your computer that it shouldn't do, then other people would have already complained about it and Minion wouldn't be around anymore.

i am not complaining about poor choice of words, i am telling the choice of words is spot on, a previous poster found he had to correct apple and minimize the risk

its not paranoia, its a valid concern for the safety of my OS and private data, if every little app behaved like this we would have 0 security left.

[zero-kill]

I'd say you are pretty safe, considering our fine website here. I can understand the concern when your OS tells you something wants an unfettered access to your computer (p.s. Mac should use that verbiage :P), but installing software onto your computer is your decision. Unless you've *never* used a Windows based environment or what-have-you, you can easily say, "Nah, I don't want to use this because it may harm me, even though it doesn't seem to have harmed anyone else, but I want to have the caution this little box brought upon me by choosing the blue pill or the red pill." Or some variation.

This isn't a snarky remark. Just an observation on what has transpired thus far.

[Republic]

Originally Posted by downset i am not complaining about poor choice of words, i am telling the choice of words is spot on, a previous poster found he had to correct apple and minimize the risk its not paranoia, its a valid concern for the safety of my OS and private data, if every little app behaved like this we would have 0 security left.

Eh, no offense intended here but you seem like the type that "should" frown on using updaters in the first place. If you're truly that concerned about your system saftey, why even use...bah, you understand the point. As I believe updaters cater to the lazy and less "able" among us (yeah yeah, I know smart folks can use them for convenience...so before you start yelling at me...I KNOW!!!), I find great irony that someone as anal about system security is even using one, but that's me.

It's times like this that I wonder why some kids like to make a big fuss about pc security issues, but will chow down immediately on a pizza delivered from god knows where. Think about it

[Mechrior]

"unrestricted" is a very WRONG definition of what its actually requiring, it need full permissions because it has to read, write, copy and overwrite.

I religiously watch my system for changes, access, upstream infor and downstream so I know whats going on with my computer.

AFAIAC the minion is safe for updating, the only worry i would have is with 3rd party additions to it.

Worst comes to worst, backup your WTF and interface folders before updating and virus, spyware, malware check it each time.