Low FPS is Raids with nUI+ - Page 5

wreck · 04-19-09, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by spiel2001

Okay -- here's a second attempt since the last one was still producing some taint.

Install both files in [ Interface > AddOns > nUI > Bars ] and let me know if you see any improvement

Ok, if by improvement you mean "Did you suddenly stop being able to use buttons when shapeshifting as a Druid" Then yes, there was an improvement.

Unfortunately after installing these files as directed whenever I switched to Bear form I got an lua error and the standard 1st button bar did not switch to my Bear form buttons. As a result I was unable to tell what things were active. After returning to the latest nUI+ Dev release everything went back to normal.

So it would appear that if these fix the frame rate problem, they won't be usable by many people.

spiel2001 · 04-19-09, 07:55 AM

I actually already posted a message that this bug was introduced in the 5.02.02 and I was working on it ~smile~

I've gotten some sleep, I'm mainlining coffee and this bug will be fixed before I'm done today.

Astrocanis · 04-19-09, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by spiel2001

I actually already posted a message that this bug was introduced in the 5.02.02 and I was working on it ~smile~

I've gotten some sleep, I'm mainlining coffee and this bug will be fixed before I'm done today.

Slacker. Used to be "real men...err... programmers drink JOLT!" All the sugar and twice the caffeine and so on, and so forth.

[edit] and just as an "FYI", since the changes, my Cooldown Count no longer works - throws errors.

spiel2001 · 04-19-09, 08:13 AM

~lol~

You forgot the moonpies man!

Seer · 04-19-09, 03:09 PM

Well, seems the last update fixed the fps isues in the raids, now.. Can you get a job at bliz and fix the engine so it runs better on modern hardware overall ?

spiel2001 · 04-19-09, 03:12 PM

<= doesn't want to move to California ~lol~

At least in Florida you have a one week notice that everything around you is about to get wiped out by Mother Nature ~grin~

Lery · 04-19-09, 07:12 PM

Spiel,

With version 5.02.04_Dev nUI +, should we replace the nUI_Button.lua, and nUI_ButtonBar.lua files you put in this post the other day to test the taint issue? Or should we preserve those when putting in the new version?

spiel2001 · 04-19-09, 07:15 PM

Ignore those... they pre-date the 5.02.04 and were the code I was working on before the 5.02.02 went live. They have bugs in them.

Guess I should go remove those so they don't get used... thanks for pointing that out in a round-a-bout way ~grin~

Lery · 04-19-09, 09:03 PM

Ok so I just ran a quick 10 man OS. I wanted to give you some feedback. Overall FPS has improved. Its improved from unbearable, to playable. However it is still definitely there.

Now I am pushing the limits for sure, because I run with all my addons on, and Video Settings set to High. I have the machine to run like this, so I would expect nothing but good performance from these settings.

During the 10 man ran, I would notice random quick lockup type issues. Where the FPS was really dropping down to about 4-5 FPS, and then shooting backup immediately.

Again, I can live with this, unless when of course this gets worse in 25 mans, which I do not know yet as I have not been able to test fully. I just thought you would like to know so you can continue researching this issue.

Baltharus · 04-19-09, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by spiel2001

~lol~

You forgot the moonpies man!

mmm... Moonpies FTW

Vis · 04-19-09, 09:21 PM

I've seen increased overall framerates myself. I've also seen the sudden drop in fps. It seems that once a garbage collection hits, that's when the framerates drop. I sat there watching the memory usage and fps for awhile, and they seemed to coincide with that collection.

nUI seemed to normally run well around 12-15megs usage and 45-70 fps depending on where I was. When a garbage collection hit, nUI was sitting around 25-30 megs usage and fps dropped to around 10-15. That was as a solo Hunter with a pet while I was fishing for that dang mount, lol.

spiel2001 · 04-20-09, 04:09 AM

Ah... the dreaded garbage collector... I've been complaining to Blizzard about that since the 3.0 patch came out. They have very much broken something there and there's nothing I can do about it.

I had tried adding a regular garbage collection to the clock to prevent the big buildup of garbage and the big hit but that was even worse as it causes the screen to tear in a big way.

Unfortunately, the only way to not have garbage is to not do anything and there's no way to "tweak" their garbage collector code.

If you search the tech support thread here in the support forum, you'll find a bunch of posts on the topic going back to when WotLK went live.

Lery · 04-20-09, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by spiel2001

Ah... the dreaded garbage collector... I've been complaining to Blizzard about that since the 3.0 patch came out. They have very much broken something there and there's nothing I can do about it.

I had tried adding a regular garbage collection to the clock to prevent the big buildup of garbage and the big hit but that was even worse as it causes the screen to tear in a big way.

Unfortunately, the only way to not have garbage is to not do anything and there's no way to "tweak" their garbage collector code.

If you search the tech support thread here in the support forum, you'll find a bunch of posts on the topic going back to when WotLK went live.

Ok that is good information. I also noticed this happening even while just flying around checking different areas. I hope Blizzard comes up with some way to fix that.

Anyway, just wanted to say thank you for the support on this issue and the great work in fixing it. Very much appreciated.

Vis · 04-20-09, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by spiel2001

Ah... the dreaded garbage collector... I've been complaining to Blizzard about that since the 3.0 patch came out. They have very much broken something there and there's nothing I can do about it.

So the remaining freeze-ups/sudden drop in Raid FPS is most likely due to Blizzard's code surrounding their Garbage collector methods. That explains alot, especially seeing the occasional hiccup while solo

Keep up the great work Spiel

spiel2001 · 04-20-09, 09:53 AM

To be sure, I can continue to improve the performance of nUI by continuing to look for places and ways I can reduce the number of loops and the amount of garbage created and I strongly suspect there are still some logic bugs floating about that are impacting performance, but yeah... at this point the biggest issues appears to be garbage collection.

Lery · 04-21-09, 09:37 PM

The freezing and FPS drops are killing me still. Running a 10 man Kara for ****z and giggles, each boss pull my FPS tanks and shoots back up.

Aerador · 04-22-09, 12:41 AM

I haven't downloaded the newest version yet and i'm scared to.

I'm still using version 5.02.02 I believe as using that one I haven't had any real problems in anything up to 25s now. I've been running heroics, VoA, and Naxx like a mad man now that my FPS came back with that version of nUI. The only problems i'm having with it are Alterac Valley BGs lag me out now.

However i'm going to grab the new version right now and see how that goes with some heroics tomorrow and a Naxx run on saturday.

spiel2001 · 04-22-09, 04:07 AM

I would expect that you'll see no performance difference between 5.02.02 and 5.02.05 -- all the three updates since 5.02.02 do is fix bugs that were introduced in the new action bar code. So you should see the same performance, just fewer problems.

However, I would expect 5.02.02 to have notably increased your performance over all previous versions.

todd0168 · 04-22-09, 08:28 AM

Sadly, on the newest version, I have seen no real increase in frame rate performance. I still have random, severe fps lag issues when running heroics and raids. Works wonderfully just about everywhere else.

spiel2001 · 04-22-09, 08:36 AM

I would not have anticipated seeing any difference between 5.02.02, 5.02.03, 5.03.04 and 5.02.05 -- however, I would expect to see an overall performance gain in the versions over any prior version though I do still expect that people who have the issue with the garbage collector will continue to see that until I can figure out a workaround for Bliz's GC bug.