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Unread 04-22-09, 09:23 AM   #1
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Exclamation Wow Matrix Updating Carbonite Code

Heya, just thought you all would be interested in a bit of the wow matrix code:

Code:
if (char 1 to 9 of tAddonVars["Filename"] = "Carbonite") then
replace "Copyright 2008 Carbon Based Creations, LLC." with empty in tAddonVars["Notes"]
end if
Basically they're removing your copyright. Pretty cool eh?
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Unread 04-22-09, 09:32 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Ackis View Post
Heya, just thought you all would be interested in a bit of the wow matrix code:

Code:
if (char 1 to 9 of tAddonVars["Filename"] = "Carbonite") then
replace "Copyright 2008 Carbon Based Creations, LLC." with empty in tAddonVars["Notes"]
end if
Basically they're removing your copyright. Pretty cool eh?
Oh man, and they still wonder why AddOn authors don't want anything to do with them. WoWMatrix really needs to die in a fire.
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Unread 04-22-09, 09:45 AM   #3
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I don't understand, why would they do this? What reason does WM have for removing a copyright statement? It's not like an end user cares who owns the copyright so long as they are able to run the addon.

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Unread 04-22-09, 09:49 AM   #4
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They also modify a lot of other addons:

http://rafb.net/p/dboNou53.html
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Unread 04-22-09, 10:03 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Ackis View Post
Heya, just thought you all would be interested in a bit of the wow matrix code:

Code:
if (char 1 to 9 of tAddonVars["Filename"] = "Carbonite") then
replace "Copyright 2008 Carbon Based Creations, LLC." with empty in tAddonVars["Notes"]
end if
Basically they're removing your copyright. Pretty cool eh?
Hmm.. if the Carbonite copyright is registered, this is grounds for a lawsuit, no DCMA required.
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Actually that is removing it from some "Notes" entry, which is probably something that shows up in their installer.

Well, they won't be doing whatever any longer, since we revoked their permission to install our addon.
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Unread 04-22-09, 10:24 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by carboniteaddon View Post
Actually that is removing it from some "Notes" entry, which is probably something that shows up in their installer.

Well, they won't be doing whatever any longer, since we revoked their permission to install our addon.
Yup I know, just wanted to give you guys a heads up that your code was being modified.
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Actually, I'm guessing they were changing it in the TOC. What Ackis linked is the source code from WM where it goes through and changes addon code as it sees fit.
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I am wondering what those guys are trying to... isn't it so that removing of copyrights or copylefts is against law ? Do those guys really want a court ?
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I am wondering what those guys are trying to... isn't it so that removing of copyrights or copylefts is against law ? Do those guys really want a court ?
WowMatrix are probably banking on mod authors having neither the means or will to sue them. They may also be under the illusion that mods are somehow immune to copyright laws. Or they may feel immune to copyright laws if they reside in a country not bound by the Berne Convention (there's still a few out there).
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Netherlands, as far as I am aware, did sign the Berne Convention. The WM site resides on a server located the Netherlands.
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Unread 04-22-09, 03:53 PM   #14
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You know what, us users just want a nice application to download our addons without any hassle. This is a hassle now.

Using Curse's application doesn't download everything...plus it's buggy. So now since everyone is getting in a tizzy, we have to go back to the dark ages and go to each individual website for each add-on to check on the off-chance that maybe they updated something.

Fine, everyone hates WowMatrix, and people have posted good reasons as for the indignation, but that doesn't alleviate the problem for a lot of people. It's just now a pain in the ass for us, the end-users, to get to all your add-ons. I mean, it's going to be a pain to just even FIND them now, much less keep them updated. Oh, and if you're on a Mac, forget about it.

But I guess no one really cares about all of that...and please understand I'm not saying that you should just bite the bullet and allow WoWMatrix access to your add-on again. I just saying that all the bickering between websites, add-on developers and client-side gatherers of addons is mainly hurting only one person: the player. I don't have a solution to this, doubt anyone does.
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Unread 04-22-09, 04:00 PM   #15
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Our old updater still works. It just isn't as nice as we want, so we're making a new one.

Also, manually updating your addons doesn't have to be time consuming or difficult at all. It's actually very easy. I've posted this elsewhere, but I'll copy it here too:
On WoWInterface (I don't know about Curse, but I'm sure it's something similar, same with wowui.incgamers), when you go to the download page of an AddOn you use and like, you can click on the little heart underneath the big download button. That adds it to your favourites list. Now every time you visit the site, you will see a notice on the front page (Community tab) saying whether any of your favourites have been updated. As well, there is a link on the top bar of the site that says "favourites", that you can click at any time to go look at your list.

To get email notifications of updates of your favourites, do this:

If you are on your Favourites list page you will see a little menu on the left, or if you are on any other page on the site (except the forums tab) you can click on "Options" on the top bar. Either one of those places you will see:

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Click on "Preferences". You will then see this:

Download Preferences
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yes no

Just check "yes" and any time any AddOn on your favourites list is updated, it will send out an email notification that it has been updated and give you a direct link to the download page for that AddOn.
Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by Goofball_Jones View Post
You know what, us users just want a nice application to download our addons without any hassle. This is a hassle now.
Don't speak for me. Its not a hassle, it never was. I'm not going to run a strange program on the machine when it might steal the password or something.
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Don't speak for me. Its not a hassle, it never was. I'm not going to run a strange program on the machine when it might steal the password or something.
I agree with you completely there.

Updater users probably get used to updating more regularly than those who manually update (because its convenient, fast and easy): It probably wasn't the manual updating folk that killed the original wowace.. more likely WAU obsessives. I digress.

IMO There's no need to update more than once a week (or even monthly), unless theres a specific reason (e.g. buggy mod) to do so. The exception is probably for a week or so after a major WoW patch. But even then, using the favourites options of WowInterface, WowUI and Curse make the job relatively straight forward.

I also agree that security implications of 3rd party updaters is reason enough to not use them. If I can't see the source code and compile it myself then (as far as MMO utils go) I don't trust them. It's a bit like trusting a piece of 3rd party software from someone you don't know (possibly called Nigel) to manage your bank account (ok, perhaps an extreme example).

I'd much rather manually update. For a start, it means I get to see info about new features and optional plugins that I might otherwise miss.

Note: I use alot of mods. Manual updating all the way
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Note: I use alot of mods. Manual updating all the way
What easier way to manually update and find notes to read than to have the outdated ones lit up in bright pink? (Also not clogging my inbox.)

Just sayin'.

It looks like wowmatrix went to hosting the files themselves now.
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Unread 04-22-09, 10:19 PM   #19
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Updating is not that difficult

I use more addons than the majority of the player base and I don't find it difficult to update them at all.

Most of my addons are either from wowinterface or curse and between the curse updater and the wowinterface Favorites (instructions for this above) it is incredibly simple for me to keep everything updated. Between the two I don't even have to think about updating. Curse updater handles all of the curse ones automatically and when I get an email from wowinterface, I take care of those. In both cases, I always go and read the change log notes so anything even more simple would be bad. Those notes are sometimes IMPORTANT.

Anyone who finds it a challenge keeping addons updated is doing something the hard way...it's really quite simple. Patching WoW is a lot more hassle, imo, it takes a lot longer even on a fast connection and then usually doesn't work right for at least a week or so until blizz finishes patching the patch that patched the patch to fix it...
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Not this again. I sense another 30 pages in the future.

I don't think people realize what actually has happened. Let me explain it so a first-grader could understand it:

Wowmatrix is a great program. Although it is great, it steals, so it is not a very nice program. Stealing is bad. Stealing has now been put to an end.

It doesn't matter how tedious it has become. Wowmatrix stole bandwidth.
Going out to a theatre is tedious for me, so I might as well download a DVDRip, right?
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