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You might try to claim WoWMatrix is not a user of the site, but if they ever visited this site even testing their own software, they are subject to the Terms of Use. |
Sorry Cairenn, this just fits so well :p.
Cairenn: So, WM is bad for WoWI, any questions? Mob Member: Oh, yeah, yeah, I got a question there. When do we get to light our torches? Cairenn: When it gets dark. Mob Member: Ah, I see. Oh, hey, I got another question there. Suppose, hypothetically, you know, a guy had already lit his torch. I mean, it'd be cool if he could just keep it lit, huh? Cairenn: Yes. Mob Member: Oh, excellent. Excellent. Cairenn: Now, if there are no more questions... Mob Member: Oh, hey, hey, hey, I got another question. Hey, uh, if one part of the mob gets separated from another part of the mob, shouldn't there be a place that we can get together? Maybe a secret place the two mobs could reunite, and we'd be a big mob again. Cairenn: Stay with the mob. Mob Member: Stay with the mob. All right. Cairenn: Right. Mob Member: Hey, hey, hey, I got another question. Hey, uh, doesn't this guy deserve a fair trial? Cairenn: You - back of the mob! Mob Member: "Back of the mob"? What? This is my spot! I came early! Cairenn: Okay, *out* of the mob! Mob Member: Ah, this mob blows. **WoWI, and Cairenn had not taken part of this fictional conversation, it is a quote from a movie, not from these forums. The name Sgt. Sisk was replaced by the name Cairenn. |
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While WowMatrix is indeed not liable for the theft of the bandwidth (and the end users are to answer other comments made), they can be held liable for what boils down to exploiting a lack of security and then making money off it. (Understand here: hiring someone to steal the Mona Lisa and then reselling it.) This is nothing more than glorified hacking. You've managed to find what might be a grey area (somethin akin to using .torrent files to pirate various forms of media), but even if you did, I have a feeling that if WoWI and Curse took this to court, anyone with at least half a brain in their head who gets paid to do this for a living would see this exactly how I have described it to you, and WowMatrix would lose. In your example, the chief difference is that you are still going directly do the website, and other people would have to do the same. That crucial difference changes everything, and your analogy ceases to hold any kind of weight in your argument. Furthermore, Terms of Service do indeed carry the force of law in that they become the cornerstone of any case in which they were violated so badly that the generator of those terms feels that they warrant court action. If you need better understanding, ask a lawyer. And, I'm boggled that you're blasting WoWI and Curse in the face for blocking WM out, when you just got done in that comment saying that they're ToS gives them the right to do exactly that. Who's side are you on? Make up your mind. None of this has anything to do with vilification of any kind beyond what WM has done to themselves. It could be said that Jews vilified Hitler (yeah, I went there), but I think we can all agree that it was well-deserved. Ultimately, Jal, I understand from your posts that you're here to make an emotional argument, not a rational one, and I can respect that as long as we both understand that no matter how rational I am about the irrational things you say, you ultimately won't come around. Let's see... covered hypocrisy, legality, singing pigs... Yeah, I'm done here. |
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Hypocrite? I didn't say that the pirate lifestyle is fair and just now did I? It's one thing to steal other people work for you own enjoyment, it's quite another to steal it and make money off it.
Besides, I never said I was a music/movie/software/book pirate. For all you know I could well be a dirty ass pirate. *edit* oh and yes, they're legitimate, and yes, they are thinly veiled attacks... and yes, they deserve answers. But he's not interested in playing the unbiased mediator in the situation and reporting both sides fairly, he's already shown an obvious bias to WM. If he was unbiased, he'd ask the questions Cair posted, because they're the questions that everyone on this side of the debate wants answers to. WM is welcome to pose any questions they want as well... but as Cair's questions point out, THEY WON'T TALK TO US. |
Actually, I think it's a well known, and self admitted, fact that he's a bacon pirate. ;)
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