Final Decision on what's coming first
First off, an apology because I did run the poll asking, and I know quests won by a long shot... but hear me out
Every aspect of Carbonite needs an overhaul to make it easier to use. Every aspect of Carbonite needs an overhaul to better support localization, and to remove byte code so it's easier to update / maintain. Every aspect of Carbonite needs an overhaul to better support profiles, and configurations Part of the quest overhaul is going to be breaking it apart (either by zone, or level range haven't decided yet) so it will use less memory if you don't need 80% of the quest data. Because of the work involved in overhauling it, I really don't want to do the work twice, once to work with what is current, and once to work with the new modular map system. TLDR, Maps will be done first. |
Good call, Rythal. Thanks for the heads-up!
My opinion on this (which nobody else probably cares about, but I'm still gonna give it): Yes, we need current quest information, yes it would be really nice to have the multicolored quest blobs back (for all quests), and, yes, it would be nice to have the Carbonite map working properly again (everywhere). The bottom line, though, is that you just can't do it all at one time. Not working on it alone and that's how it's going. Good luck and take the time you need to get it right the first time. I'm pretty sure we'll still all be here to cheer when you're done with it. |
As someone who voted for quests, this really.... doesn't bother me.
I've worked with old, needs to be rebuilt code, and it isn't fun. Plus, quests work for me. There is a little more jumping through hops than before (ie, open the bliz quest log every once and a while, make sure to fly to the zone the quests are in, ect), but nothing I can't do easily. So, do what you need to do to make things work smoothly. Thanks for all the hard work. |
Good luck
I bid thee good luck and best wishes in your efforts to revive, if not revive then remodel, Carbonite.
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Good call Rythal atleast a decision has been made and you can get started on that.
One thing you may want to do is set up a new thread "Carbonite Beta" where you can get anyone that wants to beta test stuff can report stuff (up to you though). |
I am happy to hear that Carb has not been forgotten and that it is going to become useable once again. :"3 I'm still using the update you gave for it awhile back despite the fact that it's not all that great right now and glitchy as all hell. I, like many others, cannot live without Carbonite. I appreciate anyone who can understand coding [I use to be able to understand it but that was many long years ago sadly. u.u] But I am looking forward to the new update and will continue to wait patiently like I have so far. ^^
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Replacement
Anyone have a ok replacement for carbonite? Since the quest tracking is really all i use it for need something that works. And really do not want a bunch of extra stuff loading on my machine. Every addon that i have that has decided to make them modular has been a disaster. Deadly boss mods went that route and does not work as well, Atlas loot same thing, Several others to Modular is not better just creates more problems with trying to get it to work together:mad:
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Carbonites modularization will be more like atlas then DBM... there will be no "auto" loading, there is no events to watch. The base addon is the map, and nothing but the map ... you want PVP, you install that and turn it on... you want questing, you install that and turn it on. Need warehouse? install that and turn it on...
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Yes its going to take some time but once its done Carbonite will be alot better than ever.
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update
thank you for your hard work......I actually am running more than one app to try and have everything I did before. I do not know the dif between modular and what was here before. As long as it works I am happy. Look forward to the updates when you have them ready
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Updates and modularization
Personally, I think it will all work out in the end. And I believe that, in the end, everyone including the naysayers, will be happy. Whether we get something right away or months from now, it's better to have it done right (as someone else noted earlier) in the first place. Thanks again to Rythal.
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DBM people decided to be cute and make the modules auto-detect what to load. They decided to be economical and have it check what to load only once. That is their call. You can build in massive redundancies on your auto checks. You can make the player select what to load. You can have a button you press to update the modules loaded. You can have auto-detect with manual override.... Yes, there are SOME limits based on the interface Blizz gives us. But no limits from Blizz specifically make modularization a bad move. The primary benefits for users: 1. If something breaks only a SMALL part of Carbonite breaks. So PvP or map only people won't suffer because of a Quest bug, etc. 2. Other addon developers can more easily cannibalize Rythal's code to incorporate into their own system. ie - more alternatives will crop up. |
Personally, I do appreciate Rythal taking on this project and I will wait until everything is redone. I am using it currently and although questing is not covered in all areas, I believe we all can agree there are ways around it, that are available to us all. You take what ever steps you feel need to be done and in whatever order you feel is best. Thank you for your continued hard work and effort to shape Carbonite to be more flexable and easier for you to update and maintain. :):)
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U can please all of the people some of the time. But u can't please all of the people all the time. |
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I literally am not going to resub until carbonite works.
Just playing on 7 free days right now... |
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There is however a "temporary fix" made by a third party (Ebmor) here on the forums that will give you at least the "google maps" albeit a bit glitchy. It works for what I need it for. I'll link to the post HERE Curse website - Curse Forge website - |
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There is a newer version but it is still a work in progress so all things considered enjoy the new content and play with your garrison and relax while Rythal continues rebuilding it so it works with all of the new changes Blizz did. Patience is a virtue with many great rewards. |
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I Also am just going to be patient and wait and see and be happy when it is Done:)
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i dont even mind if theres no quests or otherstuff i just miss the second minimap the wow thing is annoying and isnt shrinkable and other minimap addons just mess with the map in the top right corner any suggestions for a decent secondary map addon till good ol carbonite is up and running again
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quest complete
I loved using Carbonite. I really hate not having it. I would gladly even pay a fair price for it. Please bring it back. I especially miss the "Quest Complete" sound when I finish a quest. That alone got my husband to want it as well.
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Carbonite update for WOD
I will "suffer" the Blizzard quest modules until Carbonite is ready. I used Carbonite since it was first available. Started in WoW beta 2 about 12 years ago, and when I first found Carbonite it was like the fog of war was lifted from my sight.
I know Rythal may not be expecting to make money on this, but I have, and will in the future, donated through PayPal. Each of you who say you need Carbonite back should do this as well. If everyone who is clamoring for an updated Carbonite would donate on PayPal, he would be able to get himself a nice Christmas present. :) |
Carbonite Map - The BEST
I miss Carbonite soooooo much!
I am thrilled you are working on it. I understand the large time investment. I have been using Mapster and absolutely hate it but it's better than the default WoW map. Every time combat commences, the map disappears. I open it up and it is - well very difficult to read until I zoom in what little bit a player can zoom in only to have it once again disappear if I herb or mine or commence combat - map with all my adjustments is gone..rinse repeat. It's clunky and awkward and has an enormous frame around it taking up far too much UI space. I would be thrilled just to have a great map via Carbonite again. If anyone knows of a better map system - I would love to hear about it. Peace |
I get the latest version from github (master).
I think there is a lot of working things in it. It is still in development: https://github.com/Rythal/Carbonite greetz |
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Posting this here as the author would more likely be able to see it.
Yes, Carbonite absolutely needs to be more modular. That mass of compressed code. And all of these features that people maybe didn't use. I remember vividly saying to myself, "Hmm, when Blizzard changes the coding required for addons, it's going to be near-impossible to get this addon updated and working". And here we are. I used Carbonite exclusively for the pvp map. I turned everything else off that I possibly could. I remember it taking an hour or more to do so. When I tried to recommend the addon to others in the pvp community, they uninstalled it because they couldn't disable all of the kruft. If I could just download the pvp map module, I would. And I know many others would too. Therefore Rythal, going forward I would like to recommend that you make this addon as modular as possible. Regardless of if the pvp maps ever get working again, it's just good practice to break this addon in pieces so that 1) it can be updated more easily, perhaps with separate coding contributors assigned to sections and 2) people can just install the component of Carbonite that they actually need and use. Thank you for considering, and for your continued work on this addon. |
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