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04-30-09, 03:27 AM | #1001 | ||||
I'm at work so I'll see if I can be brief.
30-50% of 13. - 1.8TB of un-reimbursed traffic. This is how much their traffic went down as a direct result of the wow matrix move.
Openly readable code is not open source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_software Most addons are in fact not released under a GPL license. And false pander ??? WTF??? These are the sites the authors release to and they have said what their licenses are and believe me. Not many are GPL or open source. So are you saying the authors of these addons don't know the licenses they've released their addons under when they were the ones writing them in the first place? *brain go explody*
Greed is defined as wanting to take a lot of stuff needlessly without giving anything back. Servers don't run on sunshine and rainbows. Bandwidth doesn't grow on trees and is not free. Both addons sites do so much for the community for free. From free hosting of addons to giving away beta keys.
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04-30-09, 04:54 AM | #1002 | |
Its been said time and time again that if a mod is released WITH NO LICENSE, then the license is "ALL RIGHTS RESERVED". How can that be made more clear? Blink tags and sirens? If you don't see a license file attached to the mod (either in its code or as a separate file in the AddOn's folder), then the AddOn author retains all rights to the mod. Copyright is granted to the author at the moment the author writes the mod. The author has to make the decision to give up some of his/her rights via a license agreement (and that agreement has to be documented). Having the code in a readable format does not make the code "Open Source". Open readable code and "Open Source" are two entirely different things. The vast majority of AddOns released are "All Rights Reserved". Sure there are a few major mods that have been released under the GPL, however the GPL license agreement is included in the AddOn (as per the terms of the GPL). So in short, if the AddOn does not have a GPL, BSD or other form of Open Source license attached to the AddOn, then IT IS NOT OPEN SOURCE.
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04-30-09, 07:24 AM | #1003 |
04-30-09, 07:47 AM | #1004 | |
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04-30-09, 08:01 AM | #1005 |
1000th!!!!!!
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04-30-09, 08:23 AM | #1006 |
Godwin was a nub. He just hated it when people made reference to the 40's because that's when his mom married his uncle, then she stopped taking birth control in 49, and he was born in 56.
How about that out of context quote then, instead saying that Americans villified the Japanese for Pearl Harbor? Yeah, it's all ridiculous, but analogies seldom are not. /sarcasm |
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04-30-09, 09:02 AM | #1007 |
04-30-09, 10:53 AM | #1008 |
Paying for addons is only fair
Just an FYI,
I am one of those people (and I expect we are a significant portion, if not a majority of WoW players) that is only barely, if at all, computer literate. We NEED as much simplicity as possible, its just that simple. I have been, and will continue to be, a WoWMatrix user. Why? I have tried, and cannot easily naviagate Curse or WoWInterface to keep my updates straight, AND to easily search for new addons that might be helpful to me. WoWMatrix works perfectly for me at least, in those regards. I DO understand the bandwith and author problems, and I agree it is only fair that these authors be in control of their own material. WoWMatrix has recently stepped up the ability to easily donate to the authors on their site, and I AM DOING SO. People should not be expected to work for free. As for the sites themselves, I will donate to them as I use them. I have donated to WoWMatrix, but have not done so yet to WoWI or Curse as I have not been able to figure out how to effectively use them (although I am here to broadcast this message, so I do probably owe something to WoWI for allowing this forum . . . we shall see how this goes). Either way, flame away if you must, but I already know I'm a computer idiot. For me, this is a game and something to enjoy in my spare time, and yes - I need help and simplicity. I just thought the authors and potential authors here should know that many of us idiots are willing to pay, and are doing so. |
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04-30-09, 11:16 AM | #1009 | ||
You've been lurking in this thread waiting to pounce on that, haven't you? You sly b*stard...
Oh, and about that funny string of numbers, click here.
There's no intent to flame here. In fact, you've earned my respect a bit by donating to the authors. (I've no proof of that, but I see no reason not to believe you.) Hopefully, you consider my questions honestly and are willing to give another form of simplicity a try once it happens. I learned in debate that if I want to win with very little work, I need only to do one of two things: accurately compare my opposition to any of the axis powers from WWII, or show how their position will result in the nuclear holocaust. In spite of Goodwin's law, I usually go with an axis reference because I like the look I get from my opposition when I do that. If they argue with me, they are anti-semites, and if they agree with me, they lose. Either way, they're screwed, and I love it. The biggest issue with intarwebz debates is exactly what my new siggie says below, and I hope I didn't just do that to myself by over-exaggerating an analogy. >< Last edited by us2006027321 : 04-30-09 at 11:48 AM. |
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04-30-09, 01:24 PM | #1010 | |
Um. Check the law. Copyright and Intellectual property to be specific. You can check the new laws which protect software from reverse engineering etc also. Specifically an author of software has his software automatically copyrighted the instant it is created. Practice states that a copyright notice should be included, but even the absence of that doesn't mean that the author forfieted any copyright rights. It means he/she hasnt granted any of those rights to a third party. IF WI and Curse wanted to be totally correct with the law, they would get a signed license agreement stating that they had the right to redistribute the software. Without such, basically the sites run at risk of doing something they should not be doing, but a judge may look at it as general practice being acceptable. However, keep in mind if WI or Curse, etc get greedy - Blizzard may put in new requirements for addons that could impact those companies - and we have seen that Blizzard does not want people mandating money for addons. AS SUCH curses new move to charge you up to 28% of the cost of a WoW subscription will unleash a strom from users of their client, to I suspect Blizzard. Blizzards lawyers I would think will think of some creative way of punishing or controlling such actions, perhaps putting in a clause that any addons can not charge for the addon nor for installation of the addon. In fact I think I will write Blizzard this day about such considering curses gross misconduct and unethical behavior (imho). Now is a time for WI to shine if they choose to and can get out the client quickly. Lets hope they dont follow the greedy path of curse. |
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04-30-09, 01:34 PM | #1011 | |
I believe addon authors should get some compensation but I also believe in a system that is not closed. Am I petty thief in the belief that a system with a license like Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative would be bad? I am just a fan of addons and other creative work not being locked down to a single source. The Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative license is what I use for my work for both my music and images and I am a big fan of it as it allows me to freely share my stuff with the ability to get attributed and no derivative works without my permission. There is a version for other countries as well so don't mind the Canadian Flag eh. Last edited by Reversion : 04-30-09 at 02:12 PM. |
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04-30-09, 02:59 PM | #1012 | ||||
Cairenn should reconsider closing this thread. All these posts by ignorant Wowmatrix users are getting really redundant. I mean.. why give them a place to whine? Let them piss and moan about Wowmatrix somewhere else. Let them get their addons from somewhere other than Curse or Wowinterface.
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04-30-09, 03:03 PM | #1013 | |
A license that works for music and images usually does not work well for code. Music and images once they are created do not require user support. Code does. I for once really wish users would stop asking authors to distribute the author's work under a license a user wants. Most AddOns are written to fulfill something that annoyed an author or the author though was a good idea. If users keep annoying authors, those authors may just decide to quit writing those AddOns that the users love. Think about it before you ask release under License X
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04-30-09, 03:56 PM | #1014 | |
If you want to think about something then think about how many people just stopped using the excess of addons that they may have had with Wowmatrix, I know my move to manual updating due to the whole Curse Premium debacle has seen 30 addons that I enjoy fall off the radar for me because I deemed the effort too much for the benefit. That is 30 addons that I won't think of donating to now and I think in every industry whether it be code or not that "eyeballs = revenue", Firefox is a great example of this as many other examples can be given. Always remember that at any time person could delete their addons directory and still have a very enjoyable experience. I'm hoping that the new WoWI updater is a savior in all of this and the modules are well supported and so far it is looking alright, as long as they keep a "premium" version to something of an ad-free state or at least not excessively neutered. |
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04-30-09, 04:07 PM | #1015 |
I'd jump through as many hoops as needed to get a hold of addons like Auctioneer, [any all-in-one-inventory type mod], Skillet/ATSW, and Carbonite (Quest section) or QuestHelper.
It's within the right of any author to choose where to distribute his work. If an addon is popular enough like Auctioneer or some type of raid compilation like DBM or BigWigs, then people are going to need to download it whether or not it has restrictions.
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04-30-09, 04:33 PM | #1016 | |
I honestly could care less about where you post them, just if you want me to take chances/load up on addons to add more eyeballs then allow me a quick way to update the, officially sanctioned updater. Before I got fed up with Curse I ran 3 updaters. I am not telling you what to do nor where to host, I am just giving you perspective of what people may do. If all of you are going to get hurt personally and see me as an attack then you are taking my message the wrong way and my efforts of trying to give you that perspective of the other side or devil's advocate as you will seem more and more futile. So far people have been more inclined to shoot my ideas down then have a nice discussion. Not to mention the defamatory comment against me earlier calling me a petty thief. Go nuts, upload wherever, do whatever. Clearly I seemed to have stuck my nose into someone's business and they don't seem to like it. To leave on a good note WoWI has been the best site in all of this debacle, they handled the situation the best they could do with what they had to go against and overly eager ally that was bulling its way through with or without them... in both cases. I applaud WoWI and having the forum for the Minion bookmarked in a quick location as I have high hopes for WoWI to get it right. |
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04-30-09, 04:51 PM | #1017 | |
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04-30-09, 04:51 PM | #1018 |
04-30-09, 04:52 PM | #1019 | |
Sure, many authors enjoy a lot of people, enjoying their hard work, but many don't create addons for 'addon users', money, or fame... sometimes they just want something that functions "the way it's supposed to". |
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04-30-09, 04:58 PM | #1020 |
WoWInterface » Site Forums » News » WoWInterface and Curse working together to help protect authors and other site-users |
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