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04-05-09, 05:18 PM   #721
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You're no lawyer yerself, Shefki. Just saying.

Edit: Not aiming to start a flame war. See my post below.

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04-05-09, 05:37 PM   #722
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Originally Posted by Tuhljin View Post
You're no lawyer yerself, Shefki. Just saying.
Never said I was...

I'm also not an economist but I still understand the concepts of supply and demand. I'm not a plumber but I can put in a toilet.

Not having been formally educated on something doesn't make your opinion wrong. For that matter, having been formally educated doesn't make your opinion right either.

If you want to discuss something on the merits or think I'm wrong by all means point it out.
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04-05-09, 07:00 PM   #723
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It's like common sense and logic went out the window. I don't understand how any programmer could be in favor of a Policy that attempts to (seemingly) undermine the right of an author to distribute their work how they please. Unless of coarse they already have no rights to their work due to a contract between them and their employer. There is no 'contract of services' or anything of the like that an author signs into with Blizzard.

At least Shefki is putting logic on the table, instead of pointing at someone's formal education (or lack thereof) in a field that is usually biased (like the idiot Glider lawyer comparisons, anyone). Just saying.

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04-05-09, 07:08 PM   #724
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*ahem*

/me points at the forum rules

Keep it clean and polite, please.
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04-05-09, 07:20 PM   #725
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I just want to note that I'm not calling the lawyer an idiot, only that the comparison of glider to addons is idiotic and falls short of an unbiased legal opinion.
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04-05-09, 09:47 PM   #726
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Originally Posted by Shefki View Post
I'd point out that this job isn't really a coding job. Someone that could code would be a bonus but it seems to mostly be someone who's job would be to prototype UI designs and the art to go with them and then someone else in the coding team actually implements it.

This is pretty different from the way most addon authors operate. I don't think most of us prototype interfaces in photoshop (though I'm sure some do) and even then most addons don't have a lot of original art.

If you look at the guild bank, achievements, and vehicle UIs you will note that Blizzard likes to include colorful art around their interfaces. That job description is for someone to make that stuff.

So honestly, I'm tired of seeing people post that link in the face of authors when it's not really what we do.
Dude chill out!

I founded that job offer funny after all the addons changes.

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04-05-09, 09:56 PM   #727
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It sure would be nice if people were just "putting logic on the table," but that's not all that was going on. I found the tone taken pretty rude and dismissive... that doesn't mean that I agree with all (or even most?) of what Galactica posted. If one would just state one's opinion, fine, if they build a logical case, even better, but I don't feel that's not what was going on. Don't act like an authority when you aren't one; that's all I was saying. It's not ad hominem. I mean, you say:
Except that your legal theories are wrong and there's nothing to cover their butt from. This is all about what they like or don't like.
How do you know that? I've seen enough of how business and the law intersect to see some correlation there, though not to the degree some indicated.

Edit: Sorry, Seerah. I only posted this because my above post without this reasoning can lead people to the wrong conclusion.

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04-05-09, 10:02 PM   #728
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/me glares

I'm too nice to delete posts, but Cairenn or Shirik might. Back on topic, please.
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04-05-09, 10:08 PM   #729
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/me will go a whole lot further than just deleting posts. I very specifically reminded everyone of the site rules and warned to obey them, in the very first post of the thread, right at the top of it, in bright colours, so that no one missed it. If people don't cut it out with making it personal, there are going to be vacations from the site.
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04-06-09, 03:23 PM   #730
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Daggumit... I was just about to say something personal about someone, but now I went and forgot what I was going to say or who I was going to say it about

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04-06-09, 03:25 PM   #731
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Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
/me will go a whole lot further than just deleting posts. I very specifically reminded everyone of the site rules and warned to obey them, in the very first post of the thread, right at the top of it, in bright colours, so that no one missed it. If people don't cut it out with making it personal, there are going to be vacations from the site.
I *know* you're not a lawyer either...
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04-06-09, 03:42 PM   #732
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04-06-09, 03:44 PM   #733
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04-06-09, 03:52 PM   #734
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I hate Tekkub's GD avatar.


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04-06-09, 03:54 PM   #735
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Ummm... What was the topic again? /spanks self
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04-06-09, 04:26 PM   #736
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Originally Posted by voodoodad2000 View Post
Ummm... What was the topic again? /spanks self
The UI Policy and how awesome it is. Blizzard is great, rah rah rah.
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04-06-09, 05:00 PM   #737
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Originally Posted by Shefki View Post
The UI Policy and how awesome it is. Blizzard is great, rah rah rah.
The great ZOMG I luv Blizz vs ZOMG Blizz are commie bastards debate :P
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04-06-09, 05:11 PM   #738
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No, the topic is "who is a lawyer and who isn't"

We've established Caireen and Shefki are not, Cogwheel might be one in the future, spiel2001 should never try to be one, Tristanian probably is but pretends not to be, and Yhor wishes he was.
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04-06-09, 05:39 PM   #739
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Originally Posted by Tekkub View Post
No, the topic is "who is a lawyer and who isn't"

We've established Caireen and Shefki are not, Cogwheel might be one in the future, spiel2001 should never try to be one, Tristanian probably is but pretends not to be, and Yhor wishes he was.


Probably the most accurate reply yet
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04-07-09, 04:43 AM   #740
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I'm not quite sure how to take that.

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