My apologies for it taking so long for me to actually get this post put together, got called away to deal with a few other things. Sorry about that.
Originally Posted by Elesarr
I've spent the last 1.5 hours reading through this thread.
I use ad blocking extension for Firefox, I do not click nor have I ever clicked on any kind of ad on any website. Nor do I ever click on the ads on any ad powered app.
I understand and must respect what WoWI has done - I do not have a lot of respect for Curse but that is not the concern of this community.
I have played WoW for over 4 years now and have always found the addons by the authors here to be outstanding and useful and am grateful they share their programming knowledge with the rest of us - while I am very computer savvy I have no desire atm to learn a new language (LUA). So I tip my hat to the ones who have the time to do such and share their effort and time with the rest of us.
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I am not taking either side of an argument so please do not misunderstand me or this post.
I am asking for Cairenn or someone of the upper echelon to respond to my question why nothing has been said of the apparent attempts of WM to work with addon authors, host addons on their servers, etc.
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I ask Cairenn graciously to reply to my post as she is not in the mud-slinging 90% - and from what I have read I am assured of a calm, non-biased, intelligent and mature response.
I thank the community for allowing me to post my question.
with respect,
Elesarr
Guild Master Arcane Dawn
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Hi Elesarr,
If I miss something or if you want further clarification please just point it out and I’ll try to answer or elaborate further. Also, please forgive me if it seems like I’m quoting from previous posts a lot but after three weeks a lot of this stuff has been answered already. Finally, I’m sorry but there is no way I can give you an un-biased opinion on any of this. By the very nature of the situation I can’t not be biased. I try to remain calm and rational, and I try to see it from other people’s point of view, which is actually fairly easy for me to do for most reasonable end users. But when it comes to WowMatrix
themselves I can’t help but be very very angry and very biased against them. So, any anger in this response, please realize it isn’t directed at you personally.
I have seen a lot of "WM refuses to work with us" and "WM refuses to host addons on their site" - and a lot of implied "they are not willing in anyway to work with us" comments. Please excuse me if I have missed anything or appear to be a complete idiot, but I'm a little confused on these comments and hateful posts from both sides of the fence, as it seems to me not to be the case anymore:
Yes, we said that they have refused to work with us, because that is absolute fact. We (WoWI) have tried to talk to them more than once in the 1.5 – 2 years since they (WowMatrix) started up. They have never once responded to us. They talked to Curse some, the details of which I don’t know any more than what the folks at Curse have said since I wasn’t privvy to those conversations, but they never once responded to WoWI.
It is not clear to me if any of the negative posters of WM have even looked at the WM client. They have direct links to the pages of each addon, they have links and popups for each of the addons that ask for donations to the author of the mod, it is clearly indicated who the author of the mod is, etc.
Oh, trust me, we know what their client shows. The problem here is the battle it has taken for that to happen. The first we got to know about WowMatrix was in
this thread, over on the Ace forums. The date on that thread is Oct 2007. It’s now almost the middle of 2009. We (the entire UI community, ie Authors and AddOn hosting sites) have been fighting with them since then. I can’t find the post immediately to hand, but do you know when they finally stopped stripping out the authors names? Sometime within the last three months. When they added links back to the authors’ prefered site? Within the last three months. We (Authors, WoWI, WowAce, Curse, wowui.incgamers) have been fighting to get that stuff added since Oct 2007. The donation popup? WowMatrix has only put theirs in since after the UI policy was put in place, and it required multiple authors basically begging them to do it. WoWI, Curse, WowAce (I’m not sure about wowui.incgamers) have allowed authors to have donation links on their pages for years now.
I am asking for Cairenn or someone of the upper echelon to respond to my question why nothing has been said of the apparent attempts of WM to work with addon authors, host addons on their servers, etc.
Everything that has been posted about WM has been negative.
Not everything posted has been negative. Many of us have said, repeatedly, that it mostly is a very nice little program for end users. We do qualify that statement for reasons that have already been posted, but if you want I can go dig them up again.
As I read through this very long thread, there were several comments made in the vein of "mod authors would host their addons with WM if they would let us - we would have no problem with that" and "it would be a moot point if WM would let us just host addons there and help carry the bandwidth burden" and at least one addon author outright said he would host his addons there if they allowed it.
Well, they do allow it, they are asking authors to let them host their addons, however 90% of everything said in this entire thread is nothing but mud slinging on both sides.
Actually, what most of the authors are saying isn’t “if they will host our mods for us”, it is “if they had come and talked to us in the first place and asked us to upload them way back then” … The problem at this point is that they (WowMatrix) have burned so many bridges, and the fact that they still aren’t providing any way for people to talk to them publicly, that they still haven’t offered even so much as an apology to the community, that they are still doing what has everyone so upset (just not to WoWI and Curse any more), that …
And yet the image I posted is taken from their current WM client.
As for that notice they have on their patcher, let me just say this (so I don’t disappoint you by being anything other than reasonable and rational): It has more than one blatant lie in it.