nUI+ Framerate Issue - Page 2

Petrah · 03-25-10, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Andoneous

Most of the newer ATI cards do not need RIVATUNER to tweak the fan settings. Just Use Catalyst Control Center, unlock ATI Overdrive, Then check the manual fan control box. Now this worked with my Old 4870s and now it works with my 5770s (both cards in crossfire) But some may still not have a fan control. Check before you quote me on which cards is does and does not work on. Im just going by what i use.

There's a reason why you use RT over CCC, but for the life of me I cannot remember why lol. I do remember reading it on one of the overclocker forums though (BlazingPC I think, but don't quote me on that.. it's been a awhile).

I hate not being able to provide a link as I'm normally pretty anal about it.. sorry.

Seer · 03-25-10, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Petrah

(BlazingPC I think, but don't quote me on that.. it's been a awhile).

Consider yourself quoted.

You can thank me later.

gswhite · 03-27-10, 12:43 PM

Hi there. Just started using nUI and I think it is amazing. I have deleted all preferences for plugins when I installed nUI and only installed the more nUI friendly plugins that were recommended.

I went ICC 25 last night and thought it would be a great test for the new UI.

I am sorry to say I had more than a few issues. The biggest issue was Framerate. When fighting the first boss my FPS went down as low as 9fps and everything started to look really choppy.

I am a healer so having a consistent framerate and a good network connection is essential. After we survived the first boss, i excused myself and removed nUI and any associated plugins.

Restarted WoW and continued. On the second boss in ICC my average fps was 45fps, with lows of 31fps. I had no issues and no slowdown due to framerate at all.

My system spec is as follows:-

Intel Quad Core running at 3.0Ghz
8Gb Memory
2TB Sata 2 HD
Nvidia 295GTX GFX Card
Water cooled.
Windows 7 64Bit

I really love this interface but if it nails the game when in major raids or instances, I will have to remove it permanently.

Anyone have any ideas please?

Xrystal · 03-27-10, 01:17 PM

9fps is better than what I had healing 25 man ulduar .. some days I went down to 2fps 5fps being the norm. What I found helped was switching to party mode to cut down the amount of processing for display information. Where I used grid to do my healing or a mouseover macro it solved most of my problems.

But I have noticed each instance getting worse and worse on the fps scale so I suspect that ICC would be the next one I have to deal with but since the last time I raided my system has been upgraded so I should have improved somewhat. WoW isn't such the easy PC friend it used to be now. 3.1 increased the computer requirement significantly.

We're pretty much at the same computer setup now except I have an AMD triple core.

But yes, at one point I had to remove nUI and play that way. I was actually worse without nUI as I have been using it for years rofl. So, I am pretty much stuck with using nUI ( no complaint ) and will survive until nUI 6 comes along to hopefully help in that area.

gswhite · 03-27-10, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Xrystal

But yes, at one point I had to remove nUI and play that way. I was actually worse without nUI as I have been using it for years rofl. So, I am pretty much stuck with using nUI ( no complaint ) and will survive until nUI 6 comes along to hopefully help in that area.

Thanks for your reply, I am more concerned that the FPS is directly related to nUI as when I removed it everything improved by a factor of 4.

When I get time i will play around with the settings. But its looking like I may have to loose nUI from my system.

Xrystal · 03-27-10, 02:02 PM

Yeah it is tied to nUI. When you think of the amount of stuff it displays .. the more stuff it has on screen to update the more work it is doing. When you think of it nUI is working like it is a group of several addons. It has its own customised unit frames, its own button set up, its own aura set up. Granted if you had all those in separate addons the fps won't be as bad but then they wouldn't be able to talk to each other.

But yeah, if its something you can't live with then its probably best to wait until nUI 6 comes out and see if that helps you. But seriously, try switching to party mode if you're not using the raid frames to heal and see if that improves it for you considerably. Quite a few people tried that and could see the difference quite clearly.

spiel2001 · 03-27-10, 03:04 PM

A couple of things you can try...

1) Go to your video settings and reduce, or turn off, shadow detail. That seems to make a high impact.

2) For now, consider forgoing nUI's 25 man raid panel. The problem is the way that auras in particular, and unit frame updates in general, are implemented. For some people that is causing a serious FPS drain. As an alternative until I can get nUI6 out the door, consider turning off the auto group ( /nui autogroup ) feature and only use the solo unit frame in the raid then use Grid to fill the gap for your raid unit frames... you can use either the Grid plugin or just enable Grid for your raids.

The solo, party and 10 man raid frames work fine. The issue seems to be related to all of the aura spam in larger raids. I'm not "fixing" it in nUI5 because it requires a complete rewrite of how the unit frame system works. You should see a huge difference in nUI6 though.

yakuzah · 03-27-10, 03:29 PM

Excellent many thanks for everyone advice and really quick response. I will try everything suggested and let you know the results.

Thanks

todd0168 · 03-29-10, 11:20 AM

I have to say my machine is not nearly up to snuff as some of the stuff I have seen in here and I have the same kinds of issues running raids. My fps can pretty much hit the floor in any boss fights or big trash pulls. I have gone the route of switching to party or solo frames as I heal with healbot. I have noticed significant improvement in my fps when doing such. With the full 10 or 25 panels up I will hit the same 5-9 fps during fights with lots going on. But when I switch it to solo i never dip below 15-20 on the really heavy parts.

Xrystal · 03-29-10, 12:12 PM

Yeah that was pretty much my discoveries Todd. Using grid or healbot the best way to avoid the fps drop is to switch down to the lower frames. For those using clique it will obviously be more awkward unless you use clique with grid.

gswhite · 04-06-10, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by spiel2001

A couple of things you can try...

1) Go to your video settings and reduce, or turn off, shadow detail. That seems to make a high impact.

2) For now, consider forgoing nUI's 25 man raid panel.

The solo, party and 10 man raid frames work fine. The issue seems to be related to all of the aura spam in larger raids.

Just to let you all know I am still experimenting with this and have taken all suggestions into account and tried nearly everything to fix my framerate issues.

I have so far failed and even when setting Shadows off and dropping video quality, with just [arty frames in nUI I get 10FPS most of the time. When I did remove nUI I found that most raids I would get 35-55FPS with no GFX slowdown.

Love the interface but I need my Machine to perform when healing and I can't squeeze the performance from my machine whilst running nUI.

I do however believe it is the best all round interface on the planet for WoW. I miss not having it now so, shout when you fix it and I'll continue to participate in the boards as often as possible.

thanks
G

Meshif · 07-14-10, 06:48 PM

I hate being redundant, but Thank You very much for making this UI. It is truly kewl...

So after I had installed nUI+, there would be a complete video freeze for 5/10 -7/10 of a second. It would completely freeze. No cursor movement or anything else.

After reviewing this thread, I read a suggestion to disable the Reduce Input Lag option. Totally fixed the problem. I also disabled a few other things just to get a few more fps, but those features had nothing to do with the freezing issue.

Thanks for the suggestion. It fixed my problem.

Jorea · 07-20-10, 05:30 PM

I deleted my wtf and interface folders after backing them both up. I did a fresh install of Nui+ 5.0.6.29 and I went from 50fps to solid 15-20fps. I know with the last patch they found a way to mess up higher end cards like my GTX 260 because of AVR. But I loaded nui+'s core only and noticed my fps drop. Any suggestions on What Nui+ is doing that would kill my frame rate with no other addons running?

Joseph

spiel2001 · 07-21-10, 04:44 AM

It sounds like you're a victim of the FPS leak bug in nUI5 that I'm trying to fix with nUI6.

Just for the sake of testing, try installing the nUI6 Alpha along with your existing nUI5 and see if it improves your frame rate or not. It will be interesting to know if the new design is addressing the FPS leak for you or not. (keep nUI5 enabled when you use the nUI6 alpha)

Also... generally, reducing the shadow detail level in your graphics settings helps a lot.

todd0168 · 07-23-10, 10:46 AM

Just an FYI on this issue, I tried using the nUI6 frames the other day for a while and didn't notice any real change in my fps issue compared to with just using nUI5. Not sure if it's just me or not but so far the difference is pretty trivial.

spiel2001 · 07-23-10, 06:39 PM

:-/

What kind of frame rate were you getting? I've seen a huge increase with the nUI6 raid frames.

todd0168 · 07-24-10, 11:31 AM

Outside of raids and dungeons I would hover around 20fps or so with periodic drops down to less than 10 randomly and occasionally when hovering over anything that would pull up a tooltip. Then during the raids and dungeons I would drop below 10 during fights, a lot. With nUI6 the rates go up a little bit but not by much and I still have the periodic drops in fps during fights and randomly when hovering over items.

spiel2001 · 07-25-10, 06:39 AM

Hmph... I wonder where that's coming from?

I would be curious what you saw if you did the following (I know, it's PITA and I say it time and again, but still...)

1) Exit WoW
2) Go to the [ World of Warcraft ] folder and rename [ Interface ] to [ Interface.saved ] and [ WTF ] to [ WTF.saved ]
3) Log in to WoW and verify you do not have an "AddOns" button at the character selection screen. If you do, go back to step 1.
4) Log in to WoW and record your frame rates without any addons
4) Exit WoW again
5) Install nUI and nUI6 -- nothing else.
6) Enter WoW and log frame rates again

Let me know what your frame rates were without any addons and with nUI/nUI6 only installed.

todd0168 · 07-25-10, 01:03 PM

Ok, here's what I did. I did like you suggested and renamed both folders and loaded wow with no addons at all. I log out in dal behind the north bank. Upon loading in with default ui I was sitting there at 60fps. Made a lap all the way around dal and frames ran in the 39-44fps range. Lower when there were groups of people I ran through. Logged out and downloaded nUI5 and nUI6 but loaded in with only nUI5 first. Still logged in at 60fps and my lap ran in the 14-39 range. Lagged out a couple of times during the lap. Rinse and repeat but with nUI6 added in and this time again logged in at 60fps and my lap was 15-39fps with a few lagged out spots. So not sure whats going on but I am definitely not seeing any real improvement with this which is very sad to me. Not sure what else to check to help figure this out.

spiel2001 · 07-25-10, 01:29 PM

While you won't get all the functionality of the full UI, try disabling nUI and logging in with only nUI6 enabled... same frame rates?