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04-23-09, 07:32 AM | #761 | |
As for your other questions you might have a look here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=20417 Edit: Opp, looks like that thread is now closed (though it probably still awnsers some of your questions). The new forum specifically for the WoWI updater is: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/f...play.php?f=124 I'm sure Cairenn will give you a response too. Last edited by Vyper : 04-23-09 at 07:36 AM. |
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04-23-09, 07:48 AM | #762 | |||
Yes. This functionality will not be restricted.
The only significant requirement will be Java 6. The program will be packaged as an .app with a check for Java 6 that will alert you if you do not have it and direct you to obtain it.
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04-23-09, 09:17 AM | #763 | ||
You're half-way there. I was not splitting hairs over the validity of the statement that all of us who prefer WM didn't create accounts or so much as look the direction of these communities until things began to... well, explode. I understand that when people experience something they don't like, they will typically grab onto whatever argument they can (no matter how erroneous it may be) in the name of trying to make themselves feel better or justified. I agree with you that WM could be stealing business away, and I agree fully with the idea that the issue with deep-linking and hosting without developer permissions is bad. I have never debated either of those things. My issue with his statement lay solely in the implication that our protests lack validity on the basis that we haven't been in these communities. Correction: my issue with his statement lay solely in the implication that our protests lack validity for a reason that has nothing to do with the factual equity of our statements. If I'm going to be told my statements are invalid, I'd like to be shown why they're invalid strictly on the merit of their factuality (or lack thereof). I should not be categorically lumped in with a bunch of people making emotional arguments strictly because of my choice of software. That kind of perspective is irrational of its own accord and implies that an illogical set of biases are hard at work. It tells me that no matter what I say, it's going to be wrong, because I use WowMatrix. That is narrow-minded and absurd. Worse, for someone in his position on his site, it's entirely unprofessional. If he didn't represent Curse, I would care significantly less. In fact, I would likely shake my head and pay little attention to anything else he has to say. Unfortunately, I don't feel it's a good idea to do that, because for all intents and purposes, he's the face and voice of Curse, and if I am to keep a whole and objective perspective on these events, I need to see what Curse is doing. That means I need to pay close attention to what he says. What he is doing in making statements like that is a professional mistake, and I think it's only fair to note that.
Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions. What I've read on the site thus far has told me the software is still in its developmental stages, and I didn't want to annoy anyone with questions that may not be answerable, but I'm glad they were. Those answers are extremely reassuring. They make good logical sense, and while it may not be the software I've enjoyed using for so long, it sounds like I can definitely get used to enjoying WI. Coming from WM, I'm very excited to see your addon manager when it is released, and if I like it, I'm going to tell my guilds about it since they're all currently using WM and don't know wtf to do. >< Enthusiastically, Nate |
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04-23-09, 10:11 AM | #764 |
Yay! Someone enjoyed the Dancing Cheese
As far as the thread subject itself, I've been following this thread since it started, and here are the immediate and consistent thoughts that come to my mind when reading it: I host and administer some websites for a couple companies. Some for-profit, some non-profit. In both cases, I have always held that even though the Interwebs appear to be a "public place" by nature, sites are the private property of the person(s) who registered the domain name and pay for the hosting account. Ergo, it is the right of each site's owner to open and/or restrict access to whomever they wish as they wish. Even if it's "just because". Kinda like that sign you often see in shops and restaurants: "We reserve the right to refuse service to any person." In this specific case, the owners of WOWI and Curse have exercised their right to deny service (access) to the WM Client. They are not obligated in any fashion to explain their reason, and to be honest, all they really needed to say (for me) was "The WM Client causes excessive disturbance to our site, therefore we have blocked off its access." If you need an analogy, their sites are their homes, and WM was one of those houseguests that outlived its welcome. A phrase that also comes to mind, echoing another set of recent threads -- It's their sandbox, they govern who plays in it. Now, I honestly think (and I may be wrong) much of the outcry and angst perhaps could have been avoided (maybe) by rewording the notice and whatnot. For example, simply saying "The WM Client causes excessive disturbance to our site. We have attempted to resolve the problem with WM but with no success. Therefore, we are, as of this moment, restricting access to the WM Client." That's all that was necessary. It's an objective statement that doesn't require or engender much subjective discussion. When people come to the site, angry that their client doesn't work anymore, that single statement could be pointed to. Easy to read, easy to understand. But, at this point, that's neither here nor there. The other thoughts that come to mind for me are that I am, by nature, one of those people that are "fix it" people. I see something wrong, something broken, something that could be more efficient, something not smooth ... and I try to fix, to repair, to smooth over. And when I read this thread, I think ... "I wish there were something I could do to help." For those on both sides that have spoken in a reasonable manner, I can see and empathize with their positions. I'd wish there were something I could actively do to help with an amicable solution. Then people can stop fussing at each other and have more time to answer my scaling UI question or appreciate my Dancing Cheese. Cause it's all about me after all ... yupyup |
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04-23-09, 10:14 AM | #765 |
I'm now ashamed to say that I was a long time user of wowmatrix.... I was unaware of just how much bad stuff they were doing to wowinterface and curse.. and more importantly the addon authors... I thought it was just convenient since I had never been (and still am not) able to use the old updater from this site and as I'm running a Mac I was mostly out of luck with Curse until VERY recently. I look forward to the time when you have the new (awesome looking) updater available. I'm using the curse updater for now.. but only as long as it takes for yours to get up...
Much love and hope the programmer is doing well in grad school... |
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04-23-09, 11:12 AM | #766 |
Don't be ashamed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having used it. While it may not seem like it here, none of the frustration being voiced here is aimed at the users of WM who just didn't know. How could you be expected to? It is those who are now being informed, yet don't care that it was driving these great sites out of business, that have some of us crawling up the walls.
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04-23-09, 11:27 AM | #767 | ||||||||||||
TL: DR - you've been warned.
As you say no one will read it, in which case we just get more frustrated because no one is bothering to read it.
I agree that people are heated about all of this and that everyone should try to not be, but it is a rather “hot” topic, so some people will post with heat. It’s to be expected. We're trying to keep the thread as civil as we can while still allowing everyone the right to say what they want. It's a very fine line we're trying to walk.
I can’t answer your comments to Kaelten, obviously, so I’ll just leave those alone for him to respond to if he so wishes. I think Shirik has answered your questions about our new updater (as indicated in the next one I’m quoting) but if he missed any, or if you have any other questions, please don’t hesitate to ask again. We are rather crazy busy lately, as I’m sure you noticed , and as such we are ocassionally missing things. For what it’s worth, all of us (WoWI staff) agree that Wowmatrix is a very nice little updater for the end-users, we’ve never disputed that at all. Just the manner in which they run it is the problem for us. We’re hoping that our new updater will be just as easy for our users when we get it done.
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04-23-09, 11:38 AM | #768 |
As long as there is an updater I am happy. I don't care about the legal stuff. Never have never will. I just like the convenience of having it automated. I will not use WM anymore if it is truly causing that much of a disruption. And my buddy will be happy because he can't even figure out how to navigate the directories in vista
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04-23-09, 11:58 AM | #769 |
Just wanted to say I'm very impressed w/ the way Cairenn has handled Him/Her self on this thread. Everything I've seen has been level and logical and that's what I was hoping to see more of when I decided to post. I am very quickly becoming a fan of this site because the representative of this site is acting like a professional when it is hardest, but important to do so. I very much look forward to using any product you produce and hope that other sites admin that you are working with can take a moment to see your tact and use it also. It's refreshing to see soft skills at work in the tech world. Thank you for the time and care you've put into answering the posts that are real questions from concerned users that really just found out about this issue.
PS. What do I need to do to not be a murloc raider, I hate Murlocs..... Last edited by ymir3 : 04-23-09 at 12:03 PM. |
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04-23-09, 12:08 PM | #770 | |
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04-23-09, 12:15 PM | #771 | |
Using a good reader utility/browser add-on helps a lot. I currently show 2 new changes down in bottom-right corner of Firefox via Brief. Looks like QuestClicks has been changed. |
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04-23-09, 12:19 PM | #772 |
Short answer would be ..... Post More
Here's a recent and fun little thread concerning the posting titles ... http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=21893 Back to topic, I manually update as well, and still use the Favorites feature. Not only to keep tabs on Addons that I use, but also ones that I aim on giving a trial run. Last edited by Rhaethe : 04-23-09 at 12:24 PM. |
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04-23-09, 12:20 PM | #773 | |
(and it's "her", I'm female IRL too) All of us are trying our best to be understanding to those that are just discovering this. I know that we all fail some times, it's been a very rough almost 2 weeks now (and it's actually been a very rough time for the community as a whole since 20 Mar, when Blizz announced their new UI AddOn Development Policy, so it's more than just two weeks, really). For those times that we have failed to be at our best, we do apologize. Fortunately or not, depending on your viewpoint, we're just human too and it's just as upsetting an issue for us as well. As for getting rid of your murloc tag ... *grin* |
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04-23-09, 12:33 PM | #774 | |
When performing major updates (like after a major patch), I often delete the old folders before copying the new to get rid of outdated files that wouldn't be normally overwritten. Then I simply sort my addon folder by date to remove all of the old, outdated folders after sufficient time has passed for those authors who still support their add-ons to update them. This tends to help me keep things neat and clean. The tough part is remembering which old add-ons I've toc-edited (that still work) while waiting for an update. Subscribing to the My Favorites newsfeed was the second best thing I ever did for updating my add-ons along with obtaining a newsfeed reader (I use Brief for Firefox). Every time something is changed, I see a message counter on the bottom right of my browser. How handy/cool/awesome is that?!? Last edited by Gruffness : 04-23-09 at 12:50 PM. Reason: Clarification and style instead of quotation marks. Yikes! |
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04-23-09, 01:03 PM | #775 |
Another reason why users shouldn't touch that number.
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04-23-09, 02:51 PM | #776 |
I would just like to ask if we, the users who have become accustomed to WM, will be able to expect an updater from Curse and WI that will be able to update the few mods that are specifically hosted on one and not the other. While running two programs isn't hard, it is bothersome when there is one who does download from both, albeit illegally.
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04-23-09, 02:52 PM | #777 |
ignored
As of this day, im being the voice of reason, and BOYCOTTING both WOWinterface and Curse's ads.
I am still going to DL from them, but without ads, they will lose money. They have both decided that they are the only one worth making money, at expense of all others, and done a tormendously stupid thing i hope they both run out of customers and die soon Thanks, and goodby WoWinterface, i clicked on your adds while you allowed WoWMatrix, now, no more, i will get mine. i have spoken! |
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04-23-09, 03:00 PM | #778 | |
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04-23-09, 03:02 PM | #779 | |
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04-23-09, 03:11 PM | #780 |
While I agree he was out of line, and stupid, aren't you the guy who said that you don't care about the community who uses the add-ons and that they don't deserve to get support when they have issues, all because they use WM?
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